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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:27 pm
 


I am not surprised.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:39 pm
 


Oh my, if there was only some way that those poor people could become more competitive. I wonder who made them poverty stricken and forcing them to stay there? Those are the guilty bastards! Those same guilty bastards should be forced to confess publicly to their crimes!

Our new social justice demands it.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:45 pm
 


You have links to back that ?

From Statcan: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/75-202-x/2 ... 65-eng.htm
"Since 1996, which was the end of the last recession, senior and non-senior families experienced an 18% and 19% increase in their median after-tax income, after adjusting for inflation."

About 20% increase in a ten years period. You call that stagnation ?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:45 pm
 


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Oh my, if there was only some way that those poor people could become more competitive. I wonder who made them poverty stricken and forcing them to stay there? Those are the guilty bastards! Those same guilty bastards should be forced to confess publicly to their crimes!

Our new social justice demands it.


+1. To many people aren't willing to go out and look for opportunities. Instead they bitch that the world they live in isn't good enough for them. It's lazy and it's cynical.

Humanity has constantly had to adapt to the world it exists in, why should that change now? The class structures of the past 8 000 years of humanity have been virtually done away with in the modern world. There is no social elite attempting to keep you below the poverty line. It is up to the capable individual to get off their sorry ass and work towards a profession that will bring them wealth and prosperity.

The rich aren't all getting richer because they are hoarding money, they are mostly getting richer because of a sore lack of people in the professions they already occupy. Supply and demand right? The less good people available to occupy a position, the more any given employer is going to be willing to pay to attract a skilful worker to that position.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:47 pm
 


Not everyone is a Mensa member and not all Mensa members have people skills. Yet, that is expected for even a minimum wage job.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:59 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
Not everyone is a Mensa member and not all Mensa members have people skills. Yet, that is expected for even a minimum wage job.


There are a lot of technical jobs with really good pay which only require a one or two years course.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:06 pm
 


There is definitely some stupidity out there. Like every bar in the country demanding that you have previous bartender experience. Eventually all the old employees are going to die off.

And McDonalds requiring a grade 12 education? WTF?

Point is, those positions are still being filled. And until the day there is no one qualified to fill a position which demands too many qualifications, the employer isn't going to lower restrictions. So you can either take the time to make yourself qualified, or sit there and complain about it.

Granted, I'm not sure about your position Brenda, being an immigrant. But every native-born Canadian has the same opportunities. Granted, some get what others would view as a "better start" compared to the average Canadian. But there is nothing stopping the rich kid in highschool from becoming a lazy bastard in his adult life, and the poor kid from the trailer park from becoming a brain surgeon. Granted, the poor kid is going to have to work harder to get the cash, but he learns the value of every hour he puts into life, motivating him to get that high paying job. Meanwhile, the rich kid got too used to being served everything, never learning or appreciating the value of time, hence his unwillingness to progress.

Could happen just the opposite way too, where the rich kid got richer and the poor kid becomes an unemployed drug addict. but thats exactly my point. It's your life to lead, and we each lead it the way we do. If we really want something, we'll find a way, because there is always a way to get it. Yes it is harder for some then for others, but if you do your personal best to make your life better with what you have to start with, then you will make yourself better. Sadly too many people don't have that drive or motivation.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:12 pm
 


Inequality in ability, talent, skill, wisdom, education, and income is not a problem, it is a fact of life. Deal with it and stop whining. :idea:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:16 pm
 


That's easy to say when you don't have that problem to deal with.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:20 pm
 


The main problem in this day and age as I see it is the ideology of entitlement. So many people believe that just because they're born they are entitled to good paying jobs that suits their lifestyle, they don't have to get an education or pay their dues in lower paying positions first to EARN the higher paying position. They believe that all wants, desires and freedoms are theirs by right, not that they have to be earned or fought for all the time. Nothing is free in this world or comes without trial and sacrifice.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:30 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
That's easy to say when you don't have that problem to deal with.


Yep. I'm a lazy b'tard who was married on just my income, with a bum leg, living on $700 a month and you know what? Mrs. Bart and I managed what little we had and we got her through school without loans, got my leg fixed through my private insurance, I got my degree on my own dime, we paid off a house, we're now into the seven figures on our assets, and people who have so much more than we did when we started bitch about being 'poor' when they have a cell phone, cable TV, a new car, a computer for posting whiny crap on web forums, and they're obese from eating well.

But they're poor because someone else is doing okay.

I have zero patience for this crap because my family exemplifies the kind of losers who blame everyone else for their shortcomings. Want to know why I am the only person in my family to have never filed bankruptcy and why I'm the only one of my siblings to have never had a foreclosure?

Is it because I'm so unfair to them or do you think, just maybe, that they might be losers who spend every cent the second they get their mitts on it?

Do I sound bitter?

That's because I am.

I am sick to death of morons telling me that I must have done something wrong to succeed in life while people who had it so much better than I did are still losers.

I worked hard, saved my money, applied myself, and succeeded.

Gee, it must be magic. :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:35 pm
 


Proculation Proculation:
You have links to back that ?

From Statcan: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/75-202-x/2 ... 65-eng.htm
"Since 1996, which was the end of the last recession, senior and non-senior families experienced an 18% and 19% increase in their median after-tax income, after adjusting for inflation."

About 20% increase in a ten years period. You call that stagnation ?


You're comparing families to his individuals. The participation of women in the workforce has increased during that time.

How people here can shrug off stagnating wages for low and middle income, with a sharp increase for the few at the top is beyond me. You really want to live in a two tier society and are you so sure you'll be, and remain one of those in the top tier?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:44 pm
 


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How people here can shrug off stagnating wages for low and middle income, with a sharp increase for the few at the top is beyond me.


If we cut the wages for those at the top how, pray tell, will that improve the status of those on the low and middle tiers?

It won't and once done the envious will simply bitch about what the top tier has left. :|


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:45 pm
 


andyt andyt:
Proculation Proculation:
You have links to back that ?

From Statcan: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/75-202-x/2 ... 65-eng.htm
"Since 1996, which was the end of the last recession, senior and non-senior families experienced an 18% and 19% increase in their median after-tax income, after adjusting for inflation."

About 20% increase in a ten years period. You call that stagnation ?


You're comparing families to his individuals. The participation of women in the workforce has increased during that time.

From the same link, the individual median increased by 23%, even more.
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How people here can shrug off stagnating wages for low and middle income, with a sharp increase for the few at the top is beyond me. You really want to live in a two tier society and are you so sure you'll be, and remain one of those in the top tier?

Like I have pointed to you multiple times, statistics point out that people move UP in the income classes, not down.

Having people with low incomes is inevitable. Want it or not.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:49 pm
 


Proculation Proculation:
Brenda Brenda:
Not everyone is a Mensa member and not all Mensa members have people skills. Yet, that is expected for even a minimum wage job.


There are a lot of technical jobs with really good pay which only require a one or two years course.

One of the kids that played on my lacrosse team last year is a perfect example. He gets out of high school, gets an apprenticeship as a carpenter. He busts his ass working every hour he can get his hands on no matter how far away the job is or how remote the oil patch camp he has to go to. He busts his hump is school to get the theoretical part of the apprenticeship done and done well all the while paying rent and all his own bills. He finishes, gets his journeyman wage, bought a brand new Chevy 3/4 ton and paid it off in two years. He just bought himself a condo with half, that's right, HALF the money down. He's 22 years old. That's the difference between those who want a good life and those who want a good life and are prepared to work to get it.


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