[lime]

I received this from a Dutch friend...

Go Dutch

The Netherlands, where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism: The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads: "The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model, and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.

The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ..

The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner; "It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (How bloody true).

The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress. More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realized - maybe too late - that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.

The future of Australia, the UK and Canada may well be read here.
READERS NOTE: Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest "CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."

Countries like Holland, Canada, the UK and Australia have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?
If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple; "STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!"

This gives a whole new meaning to the term; 'Dutch Courage' - Unfortunately Australian, UK and Canadian politicians don't have the ... guts to do the same. There's a whole lot of truth here!!!!

ELECTION 2013 IS COMING. A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves! I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!

Let's Take a Stand !!

Borders: Closed!
Language: English & French only!
Culture: Canadian Constitution is the Bill of Rights!
Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
NO freebies to: Non-Citizens! We the people are coming!!!

Only 86% will send this on. Should be 100%. What will you do?
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So, what do the Canadian ass kickers think?Do we actually have the same problem as Holland? I live in the country - I can't tell.

[Guy_Fawkes]

I'll wait until Brenda comments on this.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

$1:

Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

Including screening for tobacco and alcohol I presume??

[Brenda]

Piet Hein Donner sent a letter to Parliament. That does not mean it is law or ever will be. He proposed some of this.

Besides that, The Netherlands counts about 825,000 muslims. 17million people. That's not 6%.
"A parallel society"? REALLY???
Sure, there are problems with Moroccan youth. Sure, there are problems with people who we brought to the country 40, 50 years ago to do the dirty work we didn't want to do, who STILL do not speak Dutch.
But what people forget, is that once you are a resident of a European country, you can settle anywhere in the EU. Donner can yell what he want, but there is no way that he can stop "Muslim immigration" when Europe does not.

Grain of salt would be wise here.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Thanks Brenda! Lime you post is a pos.

[jeff744]

I consider this extremely offensive, I grew up knowing a Muslim family, the dad was one of the few doctors in town, the oldest son was year older than me and the youngest was several years younger. They moved to get closer to a mosque, not one of them was an extremist and they brought a great many skills to Canada, the son is extremely skilled at drawing. Four of my closest friends from High School immigrated, now that I am in university I meet immigrants on a regular basis and almost all of them study as hard if not harder than the locals.

You are also completely idiotic on an economic level. Saskatchewan and Alberta are in desperate need of labour on all levels, we could go to Mexico, fill a cruise ship with Mexicans that know five words of English and they would all have jobs within a week. Canada actually relies on immigrants to keep out population growth, the local population is actually shrinking due to emigration and lower birth rates.

I further find your argument hilariously hypocritical, the Bill of Rights guarantees all Canadians the freedom of speech and religion. It is also an outdated bill that has been replaced by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, brush up on your history, idiot.

[Brenda]

BTW, Donner was talking about IMMIGRANTS, not about MUSLIMS. I'm just sayin'.

Just as immigration and integration is an issue in ANY country, it is also in The Netherlands. This email from your Dutch friend, Lime, is nonsense, bs, and offensive propaganda.

[jeff744]

Brenda Brenda:

BTW, Donner was talking about IMMIGRANTS, not about MUSLIMS. I'm just sayin'.

Just as immigration and integration is an issue in ANY country, it is also in The Netherlands. This email from your Dutch friend, Lime, is nonsense, bs, and offensive propaganda.

Yes, and from those immigrants the Muslims were singled out.

[Brenda]

jeff744 jeff744:

Brenda Brenda:

BTW, Donner was talking about IMMIGRANTS, not about MUSLIMS. I'm just sayin'.

Just as immigration and integration is an issue in ANY country, it is also in The Netherlands. This email from your Dutch friend, Lime, is nonsense, bs, and offensive propaganda.

Yes, and from those immigrants the Muslims were singled out.

By Lime's email, not by the Dutch Government.

[jeff744]

Brenda Brenda:

jeff744 jeff744:

Brenda Brenda:

BTW, Donner was talking about IMMIGRANTS, not about MUSLIMS. I'm just sayin'.

Just as immigration and integration is an issue in ANY country, it is also in The Netherlands. This email from your Dutch friend, Lime, is nonsense, bs, and offensive propaganda.

Yes, and from those immigrants the Muslims were singled out.

By Lime's email, not by the Dutch Government.

I know, I was targeting him, not the Dutch.

[GreenTiger]

Brenda,
Just out of curiosity (if you know) where did the exoression "going Dutch" come from?

[Guy_Fawkes]

The phrase "going Dutch" originates from the concept of a Dutch door. Previously on farmhouses this consisted of two equal parts (Sullivan. 2010). Another school of thought is that it may be related to Dutch etiquette. In the Netherlands, it was not unusual to pay separately when going out as a group. When dating in a one-on-one situation, however, the man will most commonly pay for meals and drinks. English rivalry with the Netherlands especially during the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars gave rise to several phrases including Dutch that promote certain negative stereotypes. Example: Dutch courage.
The gambling term dutching may follow this same route as it describes a system that shares stakes across a number of bets. It is commonly believed, however, that the Dutch reference here was in fact derived from a gangster (Dutch Schultz) who used this strategy to profit from racing.

[fifeboy]

jeff744 jeff744:

I consider this extremely offensive, I grew up knowing a Muslim family, the dad was one of the few doctors in town, the oldest son was year older than me and the youngest was several years younger. They moved to get closer to a mosque, not one of them was an extremist and they brought a great many skills to Canada, the son is extremely skilled at drawing. Four of my closest friends from High School immigrated, now that I am in university I meet immigrants on a regular basis and almost all of them study as hard if not harder than the locals.

You are also completely idiotic on an economic level. Saskatchewan and Alberta are in desperate need of labour on all levels, we could go to Mexico, fill a cruise ship with Mexicans that know five words of English and they would all have jobs within a week. Canada actually relies on immigrants to keep out population growth, the local population is actually shrinking due to emigration and lower birth rates.

I further find your argument hilariously hypocritical, the Bill of Rights guarantees all Canadians the freedom of speech and religion. It is also an outdated bill that has been replaced by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, brush up on your history, idiot.

Thank you for that. I too see immigrants as useful to our country. And not just the well educated (although my Dr. was a Muslim, he retired. My new one is an immigrant too, but I'll be damned if I know if he is Muslim.). Much if Saskatoons meat packing industry relies on immigrants.

[lime]

My friend wrote:

Dear friends,

I am IN FAVOR of
- Integration
- Assimilation
- freedom of mind including religion
- Liberalism,
but AGAINST
- all kind of Racism

and therefore in doubt to what extend I could support principles like the one expressed below!

Please, do me the favor and let me know how YOU think about this subject which is of importance not only for The Netherlands but at least all "western" countries including Israel and the US!

Kindest regards

I haven't answered back yet, wanted to "feel" the water here in Canada first.

No, it isn't law yet in Holland, but they'll have an election in 2013.

[jeff744]

Assimilation? You mean turning all the immigrants into good, white people with 2.5 kids, a dog, and a house with a white picket fence?