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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:51 pm
 


US Deserter Turns to New Line of Defense on Eve of Canada Hearing


A year of fear and anxiety will reach a climax tomorrow when US Army private Jeremy Hinzman walks into a Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board hearing to argue that he should be permitted to stay in Canada as a refugee after deserting his post last December.

The outlook for the soldier is bleak, however, as his defense has been hit by major setbacks. Twice the hearing has been postponed while the Canadian ministry of justice sought more time to prepare and, crucially, the Crown has succeeded in having Hinzman's principal argument - that the Iraq war was illegal - ruled irrelevant.

If the court rules against him, it is likely the 25-year-old native of South Dakota will face deportation back to the US where he will be tried as a deserter. The penalty for desertion is death.

Hinzman told the Sunday Herald: "No doubt my heart will be beating a little bit when I walk in the room, but I know why I am here and why I feel we should be able to stay."

If the case fails, it will be a blow to a string of other deserters seeking asylum in Canada.

Last December, Hinzman packed his belongings and drove across the Canadian border with his wife Nga Nguyen and infant son, leaving his post at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

The decision to throw out the 'illegal war' defense came as a shock to Hinzman and his lawyer, Jeffrey House, a former US draft dodger from the 1970s.

"It's a setback but its also an appealable point," said House, who believes an appeal court will, if necessary, take a different view of the question of the war's legality. House also would not rule out that political pressure has been applied from behind the scenes by the US.

Unable to argue that the Iraq war is illegal, Hinzman and his lawyer have another plan of attack. "We are flying up a marine staff sergeant who served in Iraq and shot civilians at demonstrations and all kinds of things," Hinzman revealed, but would not name him.

"Since we can't discuss legality we are going to try to show that the atrocious acts that are taking place in Iraq are not anomalies or isolated incidents but part of a plan of attack, if you will. I think we stand on solid ground, in terms of what is right and what is wrong. Obviously not being able to argue that this is an illegal war is a big setback because that is essentially the whole reason I am here."

President George W Bush visited Canada for two days last week and held talks with Prime Minister Paul Martin, but the visit was marred by anti-war demonstrations.

Against such a backdrop, Hinzman is seen as a symbol of the anti-war movement. Should he succeed, other deserters will no doubt flee to Canada, said House, who has earned notoriety over the case.

"There are three people who have declared themselves and they are awaiting a hearing: Jeremy, Brandon Haughey and a guy named David Sanders," said House. "There is also another fellow I will be meeting, who is telling me he is absolutely bound and determined to make a claim. That makes four.

"There are also three I am aware of who are deserters, who have some claim to Canadian citizenship."

Quite apart from his defense of these individuals, House said he regularly receives e-mails from US military personnel all over the world who are seeking advice on how to get into Canada. A handful of other deserters have even walked into his Toronto office and asked for help. House believes they will also eventually declare themselves political refugees and follow Hinzman's lead.

Hinzman said: "If we succeed it will be a precedent and would perhaps open the doors to people who are considering a similar course of action."

Five days a week Hinzman goes running in Toronto with friends and spends time with his son Liam at a nearby park or local book store. Last week, he applied for a work permit as the couple's savings, accrued from two years of service in the US 82nd Airborne, are being eaten up. Until his case is settled, he is not entitled to work unless they cannot support themselves.

Support for Hinzman continues to grow. A group, calling itself the War Resister Support Campaign, http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0526-12.htm plans a vigil outside the building while the hearing takes place, with similar gatherings planned in other major urban centers across Canada. Letters of support have also poured in from around the world, including one from the actress Susan Sarandon, who called Hinzman a hero for refusing to go to war.

Hinzman also says he has recently met an unnamed celebrity musician who is helping to pay his legal costs.

He added: "I didn't want to be implicit in a criminal enterprise and hence a war criminal. It has been evident in light of Abu Ghraib and other things that the soldiers who pay the price for the policies that come from on high are the enlisted soldiers."

Three days have been set aside for the hearing, with a decision due in January. Pentagon officials have noted that although the penalty for desertion is death, it is more likely he would receive a lengthy prison term. Regardless, Hinzman has vowed not to return to the US.



by Paul Gains in Ontario

© 2004 newsquest (sunday herald) limited







Published on Sunday, December 5, 2004

by The Sunday Herald (Scotland)

http://www.sundayherald.com/46409


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Martin has been backing away from his former position, saying that Americans who wish to come to Canada to avoid Iraq are as welcome as any other immgrants. He stopped short of offering refugee status to deserters, as we are required to under international laws and agreements because of the illegality of the invasion of Iraq, but it was clearly a signal to the US and to the Canadian courts that he's backing away from the psychopathic Bush regime and beginning to bow to the will of Canadians.


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Rev_Blair,

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Martin has been backing away from his former position, saying that Americans who wish to come to Canada to avoid Iraq are as welcome as any other immgrants. He stopped short of offering refugee status to deserters, as we are required to under international laws and agreements because of the illegality of the invasion of Iraq, but it was clearly a signal to the US and to the Canadian courts that he's backing away from the psychopathic Bush regime and beginning to bow to the will of Canadians.


Certainly he's using his political tactic to release the anti-war population's emotional steam, but I assure you, legally and politically he can't do one dam thing about it unless he wants to trigger another border closing.

As far as international laws goes, I think you need to refresh your information instead of going with what you like it to be.

A USA Citizen is an USA citizen, and if you think that Martin or any other PM in Canada can stand in the face of the USA legal System concerning this issue, then you are thinking wrong.

This is has nothing to do with Canada, and not even if we were to stay anti-this-legal-war.


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Avro,

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To be frank, U.S deserters should stay in America and face the music. If they have real convictions thay would do the time instead of running away.


I agree with you but for this reason...


I believe strongly that if a human doesn't want to participate in a war, he has always the choice to make this sacrifice on the behalf of his belief; therefore, I have to respect his decision as long as he doesn’t desert to Canada.

In 1967, when the American government audaciously demanded that Mohamed Ali register for military service, Ali refused to serve the nation which oppressed its own African people and perpetuated an unjust war against the Vietnamese people.

He made the great sacrifice, and I respect him for what he has done when he was stripped of his Heavy Weight Championship title and banned from earning his living as a boxer because Mohammed Ali's refusal to bow to pressure inspired generations of social activists to create victorious humans.

Deserters to Canada are low life opportunists, no more, no less to it in my book.


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Avro Avro:
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I agree with you but for this reason...


I believe strongly that if a human doesn't want to participate in a war, he has always the choice to make this sacrifice on the behalf of his belief; therefore, I have to respect his decision as long as he doesn’t desert to Canada.

In 1967, when the American government audaciously demanded that Mohamed Ali register for military service, Ali refused to serve the nation which oppressed its own African people and perpetuated an unjust war against the Vietnamese people.

He made the great sacrifice, and I respect him for what he has done when he was stripped of his Heavy Weight Championship title and banned from earning his living as a boxer because Mohammed Ali's refusal to bow to pressure inspired generations of social activists to create victorious humans.

Deserters to Canada are low life opportunists, no more, no less to it in my book.


I agree L boy 100%.



Wow...You grew faster than I expected... :D :D :D


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Certainly he's using his political tactic to release the anti-war population's emotional steam, but I assure you, legally and politically he can't do one dam thing about it unless he wants to trigger another border closing.


Yes he can. The war is illegal by the definitions of international laws and we can take refugees from countries that initiate illegal wars. Legally it isn't an issue at all.

The US also won't close the border. If they do they would face serious repercussions. Their country doesn't run without ours, end of story. The border closing issue is one used only by those who have no true comprehension of the nature of trade between Canada and the US.

$1:
As far as international laws goes, I think you need to refresh your information instead of going with what you like it to be.

A USA Citizen is an USA citizen, and if you think that Martin or any other PM in Canada can stand in the face of the USA legal System concerning this issue, then you are thinking wrong.


You need to do some checking there L boy. International law is pretty damned specific. It is illegal to follow an illegal order. The Iraq war is illegal so joining in is illegal. Signatories to the law are required to take in those being forced to follow illegal orders. Canada is a signatory. That's why there was political pressure being put on the courts to toss out the issue of the legality of the war...it's clearly illegal and we would clearly be required to grant refugee status to deserters as a result.

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This is has nothing to do with Canada, and not even if we were to stay anti-this-legal-war.


It clearly has a lot to do with Canada. Right now we have about 5,500 US citizens here avoiding the war. They have every right to do that because, despite then rantings of Stephen Harper and the mumbling of Paul Martin, the war is illegal and we should grant these men and women asylum under international law.


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Avro,

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Wow...You grew faster than I expected...


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Gee L boy that is a funny statement coming from a seed such as you. Don't worry though I still think you're an illegible, racist, obsessive, hate monger who enjoys verbally terrorizing an entire group of people. :D

Have a wonderful day buddy. :wink:



Looking good with your idiocy's overall, yet you are intellectual enough to say "coming from a seed such as you", and right away accuses me of being racist.

Idiocy will always be proud of itself when someone like you utter words from his dirty a$$, isn't it, grand master?


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Rev_Blair",

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Certainly he's using his political tactic to release the anti-war population's emotional steam, but I assure you, legally and politically he can't do one dam thing about it unless he wants to trigger another border closing.


Yes he can. The war is illegal by the definitions of international laws and we can take refugees from countries that initiate illegal wars. Legally it isn't an issue at all.

The US also won't close the border. If they do they would face serious repercussions. Their country doesn't run without ours, end of story. The border closing issue is one used only by those who have no true comprehension of the nature of trade between Canada and the US.

$1:
As far as international laws goes, I think you need to refresh your information instead of going with what you like it to be.

A USA Citizen is an USA citizen, and if you think that Martin or any other PM in Canada can stand in the face of the USA legal System concerning this issue, then you are thinking wrong.


You need to do some checking there L boy. International law is pretty damned specific. It is illegal to follow an illegal order. The Iraq war is illegal so joining in is illegal. Signatories to the law are required to take in those being forced to follow illegal orders. Canada is a signatory. That's why there was political pressure being put on the courts to toss out the issue of the legality of the war...it's clearly illegal and we would clearly be required to grant refugee status to deserters as a result.

$1:
This is has nothing to do with Canada, and not even if we were to stay anti-this-legal-war.


It clearly has a lot to do with Canada. Right now we have about 5,500 US citizens here avoiding the war. They have every right to do that because, despite then rantings of Stephen Harper and the mumbling of Paul Martin, the war is illegal and we should grant these men and women asylum under international law.



Sorry to say that, but truth is truth; you never open your mouth without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge. :D :D :D


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Truth is truth. Your hatred is based on lies.


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Rev_Blair,

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Truth is truth. Your hatred is based on lies.



For the first time you said something tangible...

My hatred is based on the lies you and your entire UMMA practice as faith...


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Wow Rev 5000 posts! You have been busy. That being said IMHO I think we should allow Americans to stay here who do not want to participate in a war that even Rumsfeld had to admit isn't entirely legal. If they feel that the war is illegal it is their duty even under American military law to disobey orders or face prosecution. Now we all know that no prosecution for particiating in the Iraq war will even be brought about but that does not take away from the legalities. And yes before some of you start some of my spelling may be wrong and my sentences may run, however if that is all you can find wrong with my opinion save your breath I already know that.


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Careful Chrissy...Jack will call you a terrorist if you insist on telling the truth. :wink:


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