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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:36 pm
 


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Anyone who tells you that the electric car in your future will be just as convenient as the gasoline-fueled vehicle you’re currently driving is lying. If not overtly, then at least by omission. Nor can they plead ignorance, the calculations required to reach this conclusion hardly the stuff of graduate-level physics. Indeed, judging from the experts I’ve spoken with, plenty have been the warnings proffered to the politicians, policy makers and futurists advocating an all-battery-powered future.


Read more....http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/mot ... spartandhp

Enough of idiots like this trying to tell people to wait until they can go on a cross country trip to WallyWorld in a 2020 Oldsmobile VistaCruiser.
You will if they ever, ever roll out hydrogen fuel cells and infrastructure.
Your battery car is for bombing around town, maybe to the next one. You can drive from Chilliwack or Abbotsford to Stanley Park and back in a Bolt with charge to spare right now. And in a couple years someone will make an eSUV that can because that's what people are buying.
3 or 4 years. You'll see lots of them.
But gas power is going to be around a long time yet, those F350 4x4s won't stop selling. And if you can buy one of those, you can afford a little car to get to work in.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:03 pm
 


Actually, the single charge range of a Chevy volt is about 85 kilometres.

A 2017 volt costs about 39 grand. They claim the government will kick in 14 grand of magic money from their money tree plantation. Believe it when you see it.

http://www.chevrolet.ca/volt-electric-car.html

In any case, they say you can buy a 2018 Chevrolet sonic for 18 grand and go that 85 klicks for 10 bucks. No muss. No fuss. No added desecration of thousands of square kilometres of countryside to do it.

http://www.eagleridgegm.com/buildandpri ... 0-%20.html


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:19 pm
 


I'm sure that, back in the day, a lot of people didn't want to trade in their horses and get a Model T for pretty much the same reasons.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:27 pm
 


As to these claims of hydrogen fuel cells, cars that run on water or kinetic energy, solar roadways, or whatever that are supposedly right around the corner - we've being hearing such promises for decades.

Produce one that's economically viable, and doesn't come with more dangers than the supposed harm it's supposed to be saving us from, then we'll talk.

Show us your Model T, Ray. I'll hand in my buggy whip.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:41 pm
 


I'm sure that the Fiddledog's of that time called the people who bought Model T, "Progs". Thing is, they were. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:52 pm
 


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I'm sure that the Fiddledog's of that time called the people who bought Model T, "Progs". Thing is, they were. :lol:


And I'm sure that the Rays of that time didn't know what a Model T was. I imagine they could figure out what a horse was though. Hope so anyway. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:26 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Actually, the single charge range of a Chevy volt is about 85 kilometres.

A 2017 volt costs about 39 grand. They claim the government will kick in 14 grand of magic money from their money tree plantation. Believe it when you see it.

http://www.chevrolet.ca/volt-electric-car.html

In any case, they say you can buy a 2018 Chevrolet sonic for 18 grand and go that 85 klicks for 10 bucks. No muss. No fuss. No added desecration of thousands of square kilometres of countryside to do it.

http://www.eagleridgegm.com/buildandpri ... 0-%20.html


BOLT not VOLT.
BOLT = 383-415km on one charge. 4 passenger small car.
VOLT is a hybrid like Prius that runs on gas after 85km. 5 passenger midsize car. Costs even more than you quoted.
Sonic is a rebadged import pisspot for people who want little & cheap or you buy for your kid. Like the Micra, Mirage, etc.

And the incentives you and all the stubborn ass Yanks on GasBuddy whine about is to get you to buy one. When people listen up and start to, they'll come way down in price.

Lastly don't post dealer ads, they're complete bullshit. Talk about fake news! Go to the lot, you'll never, ever find that one or if you do you'll get told its 'already been sold'.
Jeez I have a Saturn Vue I bought in 2005, it was $35K then. My 2dr Wrangler was $32K 3 yrs ago for a base model w automatic, hard top and running boards. $40K's not expensive for a car these days.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:29 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Actually, I think Solomon is pro-nuclear and natural gas, isn't he?


Anti nuke:

https://www.google.ca/amp/business.fina ... -waste/amp


https://www.google.ca/amp/business.fina ... -waste/amp

http://business.financialpost.com/opini ... -radiation


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:57 pm
 


Replacement battery pack for the Chevy Bolt is only $15,734.29 US.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:17 am
 


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Yeah, I think you need to read the whole articles and not just the opening paragraphs there, Beave.

His point is how small amounts of radiation leakage are nothing to worry about, and how radiation stories that have created a hysteria are not justified by fact.

For example he talks about the nuclear incident in Japan after the tsunami and explains how deaths were caused by running from the radiation rather than the radiation itself. He explains how waste storage is less of a problem than one might think. He describes stored waste that wasn't toxic and shouldn't have been a problem.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:24 am
 


herbie herbie:

BOLT not VOLT.
BOLT = 383-415km on one charge. 4 passenger small car.


Thanks. I googled Bolt and they started telling me about Volt so I said to myself, "Right, yeah, Volt, he must have made a typo."

But thanks for straightening me out. I looked into it. Fascinating stuff.

Wikipedia talks of a rumour Chevrolet is losing thousands of dollars per unit, but that's an anonymous sourced story from Bloomberg so it doesn't matter.

What is interesting is what it takes to charge those things.

So they come with some kind of cord or adaptor or something, but they're slow and pretty much useless for one of the 400 kilometre or more trips.

There's something called Level 2 charging where you can set up your own charger at home. I think it costs about a grand to install, but some areas have generous governments they claim will kick in as much as half.

A level 2 charger will give your dead Bolt Battery a full charge in about 10 hours.

They do have super chargers. They Zoom. Comparatively.

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Chevrolet’s official numbers show that “Super Fast” charging the vehicle will add 90 miles of range in 30 minutes, or 160 miles in an hour.


https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/26/chevy-bolt-part-2/

So say you want to drive down to Vancouver in your Bolt from Prince George. Driving distance from Vancouver to Prince George is 1164 kilometers (723 miles).

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The Province of BC and the federal government are supporting 30 DC fast chargers through a pilot managed by BC Hydro. As of June 2016, there are 27 fast-charge locations in BC (not including Tesla’s SuperChargers).


http://pluginbc.ca/charging-stations/public-charging/

Say you have a level 2 charger set up at your home. You charge up the day and night before you're ready to go. You drive your 250 miles. You're in luck. There's a super-charger. You connect for a charge. About 90 minutes later you're ready to go. Possibly...

$1:
The Bolt EV battery is quite sensitive to internal temperature, and needs to be at 65 to 70 degrees F to charge at the highest rate;

Fast-charging starts to taper off at 50 percent capacity, and tapers again at 70 percent; and
Chevy's advertised "90 miles in 30 minutes" will only likely occur if the battery starts between 0 and 50 percent capacity.


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... ectric-car

There is a money charge for what I think they call DC Fast. These guys say it's 35 cents a kilowatt hour in BC.

http://pluginbc.ca/charging-stations/public-charging/

You can use these guys to figure that out:

http://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/2 ... c-vehicle/

but I'll just use a fast estimate and say about 63 bucks to dead charge that many klicks for a one way trip. Of course, you wouldn't do the trip that way though.

Here's another way to look at it though. They calculated charging a bolt for a year against filling up a 2017 Honda Civic.

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Sounds pretty economical. Although I still suspect you could get a similar gas powered vehicle for about half the price of the EV.

After all that though yeah, a Bolt sounds like a fun thing for around the city. Maybe as a second car.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:09 am
 


Well the same guy has written several articles on driving.ca and if you read them fully what appears to be about pointing out the problems with e cars actually points out the solution as well.
Here in Central BC we have to plug in our cars overnight 6 months a year anyway, so plugging your car in overnight doesn't seem to be a problem at all. And not a huge draw on the existing grid plus the fact BC Hydro charges me a lot more per KW than they get for exporting power in bulk. Seems a win-win.
I have no data though on how they perform over winters here. Nobody's got an e car, I've never even seen a Volt even in a showroom but there's plenty of Prius's (every taxi in Prince George). The Bolt isn't distributed for Canada yet. They're still concentrating on California but apparently moved 12,000 just there.
And look at the Tesla problem - they can't build them fast enough and claim 400,000 units demand. That's VW Beetle production if they can ramp up supply production to that kind of rate prices should plummet for all parts.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:03 pm
 


Yeah, like I said, Bolts sound like fun for a spare car. Wish I could afford one.

But now that you're telling me how people are going to be plugging in all night, and how few of them there actually are at the moment, I'm beginning to see the guy in the OP's point.

What if the enthusiast's wet dreams of everybody having one comes true? We're going to need a lot more electricity. Where's that going to come from? It's gotta be what they call green energy or what's the point. How many bird choppers wind turbines are we going to need then? How much land will we have to clear in the rural to facilitate the Urbanites' new demand?

And this is kind of selfish I know in light of the fact you'll be saving the planet, but it's sounding like this necessarily added green energy for what Ray tells me is the new Model T is going to be expensive. Such concerns are mercenary and mundane, of course, but humour me. How much extra are you expecting our energy bills to rise when everybody has a bolt or a Tesla in their garage?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:25 pm
 


The Model T produced in 1910 would cost $137,000 today, after adjustment for inflation... and it scared horses too. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:27 pm
 


raydan raydan:
The Model T produced in 1910 would cost $137,000 today, after adjustment for inflation... and it scared horses too. :lol:


Holy cow! You're right then. I wouldn't want one.


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