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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:29 am
 


<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=14346" target="_blank">Adding insult to injury? Wounded soldiers have pay cut</a> (click to view)

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<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Scape" target="_blank">Scape</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2006-10-05 07:09:00
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:29 am
 


THis is fucking (s'cuse my french) Ridiculus.... The soldier is still in theater...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:38 am
 


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THis is fucking (s'cuse my french) Ridiculus.... The soldier is still in theater...


Mario, as I understand it, it is only upon leaving theatre that the danger pay etc is cut.

Also it seems that the MP only cares now, or understands, since a cousin of his was among one of the wounded!


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The pay is for combat duty. I know it seems rude to remove it from a wounded soldier, but then you need to have a different pay rate for wounded soliders if this is your concern. Making political hay out of a payroll standard used quite effectively by every military in the world is nonsense.

Combat pay should be reserved for those troops engaged in combat duty.

That you lose it if you are removed from the front is an encouragement to soldiers to be cautious and to avoid getting wounded.

Also. being out on the line knowing that some guy who got stung by a scorpion is in a warm, safe hospital making the same pay you are is going to hurt morale.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:45 am
 


I have no clue on this subject. I have a sense that in the US there is not enough support to the active military (the whole provide your own armor thing) or enough funding given to veterans afairs.

I'm not a war monger. I believe in defense not adventurism. I believe in supporting soldiers even if I disagree on how they are deployed.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:46 am
 


Bull shit on a stick, those wounded soldiers are entiled to the Danger Pay for the duration of their contract. It's a contract honor it Harper, a wounded Soldier needs the extra cash to help him get back on his feet. Anyone who's dealt with the Canadian Militarys Medical Services know what I mean, backward and with red tape up the wazzo. Dispicable, these plucking Politicians (Libs, Cons, NDP) have been playing "Ring around our Soldiers" to gain points with the public all the while quietly bleeding them to death. Dispicable.


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Scrappy Scrappy:
Bull shit on a stick, those wounded soldiers are entiled to the Danger Pay for the duration of their contract. It's a contract honor it Harper, a wounded Soldier needs the extra cash to help him get back on his feet. Anyone who's dealt with the Canadian Militarys Medical Services know what I mean, backward and with red tape up the wazzo. Dispicable, these plucking Politicians (Libs, Cons, NDP) have been playing "Ring around our Soldiers" to gain points with the public all the while quietly bleeding them to death. Dispicable.


So I'm entitled to danger pay even though I've been back in Canada for over 4 years! :roll: By the way overseas pay is NOT a contract, but I did like the way that you managed to blame the PM. :roll:


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I hope I am wrong, but my understanding of it is -> You are in the front line, Danger pay + Tax benefit. Get wounded, you get admitted in the Field hospital, giving light duty for a few weeks (a month max) but remain in theater. While on light duty you loose your Danger pay and Tax break.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:57 am
 


Sorry, but this makes complete sense. You leave a theatre of Operations, the pay for being there is stopped. GOOD POINT on the MP only speaking up when it hit home.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:00 am
 


-Mario- -Mario-:
I hope I am wrong, but my understanding of it is -> You are in the front line, Danger pay + Tax benefit. Get wounded, you get admitted in the Field hospital, giving light duty for a few weeks (a month max) but remain in theater. While on light duty you loose your Danger pay and Tax break.


From the article:

That ends if a soldier's wounds are so severe that he or she must be removed from the theatre of war.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:07 am
 


LABBATTS50 LABBATTS50:
-Mario- -Mario-:
I hope I am wrong, but my understanding of it is -> You are in the front line, Danger pay + Tax benefit. Get wounded, you get admitted in the Field hospital, giving light duty for a few weeks (a month max) but remain in theater. While on light duty you loose your Danger pay and Tax break.


From the article:

That ends if a soldier's wounds are so severe that he or she must be removed from the theatre of war.


My bad... I must of skip that line :oops:

Than it only make sense. Give the pay and tax break to his replacement.


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Sounds like Liberal MP McTeague is a 2 faced weasle.

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But the Conservative government does not seem prepared to act on Mr. McTeague's concern, and pointed out that the practice of stopping danger pay for the injured troops began when the Liberals were in power.


The Libs never paid the forces any attention before but now that a relative is injured, he's all for making a special case of this?
This stinks of hypocrisy.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:13 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The pay is for combat duty. I know it seems rude to remove it from a wounded soldier, but then you need to have a different pay rate for wounded soliders if this is your concern. Making political hay out of a payroll standard used quite effectively by every military in the world is nonsense.

Combat pay should be reserved for those troops engaged in combat duty.

That you lose it if you are removed from the front is an encouragement to soldiers to be cautious and to avoid getting wounded.

Also. being out on the line knowing that some guy who got stung by a scorpion is in a warm, safe hospital making the same pay you are is going to hurt morale.



Ill have to differ with you on this one.

When i was overseas they had at that time various incentives for being posted braod, war zones et al. But being in the Navy the chances of being wounded were of course much less. My sympathies are fully with the combat troops now experiencing the pay-cut after being wouned in the defence of Canada.

It seems fininacially churlish to cut a wounded soldeirs pay - because they were wounded.


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HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
The pay is for combat duty. I know it seems rude to remove it from a wounded soldier, but then you need to have a different pay rate for wounded soliders if this is your concern. Making political hay out of a payroll standard used quite effectively by every military in the world is nonsense.

Combat pay should be reserved for those troops engaged in combat duty.

That you lose it if you are removed from the front is an encouragement to soldiers to be cautious and to avoid getting wounded.

Also. being out on the line knowing that some guy who got stung by a scorpion is in a warm, safe hospital making the same pay you are is going to hurt morale.



Ill have to differ with you on this one.

When i was overseas they had at that time various incentives for being posted braod, war zones et al. But being in the Navy the chances of being wounded were of course much less. My sympathies are fully with the combat troops now experiencing the pay-cut after being wouned in the defence of Canada.

It seems fininacially churlish to cut a wounded soldeirs pay - because they were wounded.

I can see Barts point. Perhaps there needs to be more support (perhaps even greater than danger duty) for those with significant injuries. I want to take care of these kids.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:54 am
 


HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
It seems fininacially churlish to cut a wounded soldeirs pay - because they were wounded.


If that is your concern then have your military enact a pay rate for wounded and temporarily or partially disabled soldiers.

I was wounded at Grenada and my overseas and combat pay ended when I arrived at Bethesda. I had no problem with that. And, yes, the Veterans Administration is not a great place for people with chronic problems. But they gave me 1st class treatment all the way on replacing my knee instead of amputating my leg as would've happened just a few years before I was injured.

I left the hospital with a 60% disability and requisite disability pay. I applied for, and received, approval for physical therapy and I worked my a$$ off to get back to 100%.

I've been there and done that and I see the wisdom in how things are set up. It isn't perfect

If I'd been pulling 280% of my standard pay for laying in a bed I wonder how much motivation I would've had to get out of that bed?


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