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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:52 am
 


Title: Alcoholism led to firing, man complains
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Date: 2010-02-16 10:13:46
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Did he disclose to his employer that he was an alcoholic before being hired? If not, then he is justifyably fired.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:07 pm
 


gonavy47 gonavy47:
Did he disclose to his employer that he was an alcoholic before being hired? If not, then he is justifyably fired.


But not if he hid the fact - then they'd have to keep him on? Are employees required to disclose other mental illnesses such as depression. If alcoholism is seen as a disability, then if they didn't hire him because of it, he could sue them for discrimination on that basis. Meaning they'd have to hire him, then immediately give him time off to go for treatment.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:20 pm
 


I was really hoping that was a UK story.

Un - fucking- believable.




Who are these complete idiot judges that keep screwing all of us
on a daily basis, and who appointed them ?


Watch him win too. :evil:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:21 pm
 


No one has to disclose an addiction to an employer prior to being hired, but that's not really the issue here. If as claimed he was a contractor he has no case unless a contract was signed by both parties. as a contractor he is self employed and providing a service to the company in question, they have no obligation to allow him to continue providing said service unless agreed to in a signed document.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:30 pm
 


Whoever decided that alcoholism is a disability needs to have their head examined.
And whoever decided to make it official, needs to have their's removed.

WHat's next? Disability parking permits for alcoholics?


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I would caution all of you to do some serious, credible, and extensive research both on alcoholism, and the rights/obligations of contractors. 'Credible research' would include the same medical bodies whose word you believe when they determined wheather MS, ALS, Cancer, etc. are or are not diseases.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:18 pm
 


Since when is alcoholism is a disability in PEI? I thought alcoholism in PEI was a civil right necessary for dealing with the fact that one lives in PEI? :D


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Yogi Yogi:
I would caution all of you to do some serious, credible, and extensive research both on alcoholism, and the rights/obligations of contractors. 'Credible research' would include the same medical bodies whose word you believe when they determined wheather MS, ALS, Cancer, etc. are or are not diseases.


Sorry, not buyin' that one. If that were the case, than anybody abusing any drugs should be given the same consideration, but they don't do they.
I KNOW there are jobs out there that you can get fired from if you smoke ONE lousy joint on your own time.
As for researching alcoholism, I've been doing that my entire life seeing as how much of my family were alcoholics. My dad drank out of guilt( I won't get into his personal shit in here but his drinking was definitely a result of guilt.) My uncles drank partly to try and forget the shit they saw and did in WW2. My mom was an alky while I was still very young but she quit before I turned 4. My maternal grandparents did NOT drink, nor do I and my sister. My brother likes a beer every now and then but I'd hardly call that alcoholism.
So, I have no reason to believe it's hereditary.
Nope, what I've found is alcoholism(and abuse of other substances) is actually a symptom of a deeper issue. It's not a disease, it's a form of self-medicating.
Making someone attend AA for what is essentially a deeper psychological issue is NOT going to make the drinking go away until the REAL problem is dealt with.
That would be like going to the hospital with a broken arm and the doctor handing you a handful of Motrin and sending you on your way.
The point is, if I'm going to flush my life down the toilet, why should anyone be legally obligated to attach their wagon to me?


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I find it hard to call alcoholism a disability considering if you were to pick this person up and drop them on a desert island where there was no alcohol the disability would cease to exist. The same can't be said for autism, cerebral palsy, losing a leg in a car accident, deafness, blindness, etc.


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" To experience the 'what' of alcoholism without understanding the 'why' of alcoholism, combined with a lack of education on alcoholism, understandably leads to a misconception regarding alcoholism". nm

For anyone who is in the throes of alcoholism, I have compassion. For those such afflicted who are trying to deal with their alcoholism, I have admiration. For those afflicted people who choose to put the blame for their condition and actions on anyone or anything else, or also choose to do nothing to rectify their condition, I have only contempt. For those whose lives are adversly affected by an alcoholic, I have sympathy. There is help available for them also. For those who choose not to avail themselves of such help, I have pity.



I don't think any employer 'owes' a job to anyone suffering with alcoholism. It is not an inherent right, It is not covered under the charter nor should it be. I would expect though that IF the employee, alcohol behaviour aside, was otherwise productive, and a benefit to the company, that the employer would give them a reasonable amount of time (no pay) to properly get their condition under control, and then revisit the possibility of the employee coming back to work.




Managing alcoholism as a disease
By Thomas R. Hobbs, Ph.D., M.D.

Thomas R. Hobbs, Ph.D., M.D., is medical director of the Physicians’ Health Programs (PHP). The PHP, a program of The Educational and Scientific Trust of the Pennsylvania Medical Society, is a confidential advocacy service for physicians suffering from impairing conditions.



Published February 1998

The debate on whether alcoholism is a disease or a personal conduct problem has continued for over 200 years. In the United States, Benjamin Rush, MD, has been credited with first identifying alcoholism as a "disease" in 1784. He asserted that alcohol was the causal agent, loss of control over drinking behavior being the characteristic symptom, and total abstinence the only effective cure. His belief in this concept was so strong that he spearheaded a public education campaign in the United States to reduce public drunkenness.
The 1800s gave rise to the temperance movement in the United States. Alcohol was perceived as evil, the root cause of America’s problems. Accepting the disease concept of alcoholism, people believed that liquor could enslave a person against his or her will. Temperance proponents propagated the view that drinking was so dangerous that people should not even sample liquor or else they would likely embark on the path toward alcoholism. This ideology maintained that alcohol is inevitably dangerous and inexorably addictive for everyone. Today, we know that strong genetic influences exist, but not everyone becomes addicted to alcohol.

The temperance movement picked up steam in the late 1800s and evolved into a movement advocating the prohibition of alcohol nationally. Banning alcohol would preserve the family and eliminate sloth and moral dissolution in the United States, according to supporters. Backed by strong political forces, legislation was passed and prohibition went into effect in 1920. Paradoxically, the era of prohibition also marked the death of Victorian standards. According to A. Sinclair in his book, Prohibition: The Era of Excess, a code of liberated personal behavior grew and with it the idea that drinking should accompany a full life. Drunkenness represented personal freedom. Due to public outcry, prohibition was repealed in 1933.

Soon after prohibition ended, Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) was born. Formed in 1935 by stockbroker Bill Wilson and a physician, Robert Smith, AA supported the proposition that an alcoholic is unable to control his or her drinking and recovery is possible only with total abstinence and peer support. The chief innovation in the AA philosophy was that it proposed a biological explanation for alcoholism. Alcoholics constituted a special group who are unable to control their drinking from birth. Initially, AA described this as "an allergy to alcohol."

Although AA was instrumental in again emphasizing the "disease concept" of alcoholism, the defining work was done by Elvin Jellinek, M.D., of the Yale Center of Alcohol Studies. In his book, The Disease Concept of Alcoholism, published in 1960, Jellinek described alcoholics as individuals with tolerance, withdrawal symptoms, and either "loss of control" or "inability to abstain" from alcohol. He asserted that these individuals could not drink in moderation, and, with continued drinking, the disease was progressive and life-threatening. Jellinek also recognized that some features of the disease (e.g., inability to abstain and loss of control) were shaped by cultural factors.

During the past 35 years, numerous studies by behavioral and social scientists have supported Jellinek’s contentions about alcoholism as a disease. The American Medical Association endorsed the concept in 1957.
The American Psychiatric Association, the American Hospital Association, the American Public Health Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the World Health Organization and the American College of Physicians have also classified alcoholism as a disease. In addition, the findings of investigators in the late 1970s led to explicit criteria for an "alcohol dependence syndrome" which are now listed in the DSM IIR, DSM IV, and the ICD manual. In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence and the American Society of Addiction Medicine published this definition for alcoholism: "Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial, and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic."

Despite the numerous studies validating the disease model of alcoholism, controversy still exists. In his 1989 book, Diseasing of America, social psychologist Stanton Peele, Ph.D., argues that AA and for-profit alcohol treatment centers promote the "myth" of alcoholism as a lifelong disease. He contends that the disease concept "excuses alcoholics for their past, present, and future irresponsibility" and points out that most people can overcome addiction on their own. He concludes that the only effective response to alcoholism and other addictions is "to recreate living communities that nurture the human capacity to lead constructive lives."

Surprisingly, Dr. Peele’s view that alcoholism is a personal conduct problem, rather than a disease, seems to be more prevalent among medical practitioners than among the public. A recent Gallop poll found that almost 90 percent of Americans believe that alcoholism is a disease. In contrast, physicians’ views of alcoholism were reviewed at an August 1997 conference held by the International Doctors of Alcoholics Anonymous (IDAA). A survey of physicians reported at that conference found that 80 percent of responding doctors perceived alcoholism as simply bad behavior.

Dr. Raoul Walsh in an article published in the November 1995 issue of Lancet supports the contention that physicians have negative views about alcoholics. He cites empirical data showing physicians continue to have stereotypical attitudes about alcoholics and that non-psychiatrists tend to view alcohol problems as principally the concern of psychiatrists. He also contends that many doctors have negative attitudes towards patients with alcohol problems because the bulk of their clinical exposure is with late-stage alcohol dependence.

Based on my experiences working in the addiction field for the past 10 years, I believe many, if not most, health professionals still view alcohol addiction as a willpower or conduct problem and are resistant to look at it as a disease. Part of the problem is that medical schools provide little time to study alcoholism or addiction and post-graduate training usually deals only with the end result of addiction or alcohol/drug-related diseases. Several studies conducted in the late 1980s give evidence that medical students and practitioners have inadequate knowledge about alcohol and alcohol problems. Also, recent studies published in the Journal of Studies on Alcoholism indicate that physicians perform poorly in the detection, prevention and treatment of alcohol abuse.

The single most important step to overcoming these obstacles is education. Education must begin at the undergraduate level and continue throughout the training of most if not all specialties. This is especially true for those in primary care where most problems of alcoholism will first be seen. In recent years, promotion of alcohol education programs in medical schools and at the post graduate level has improved. In Pennsylvania, for example, several medical schools now offer at least one curriculum block on substance abuse. Medical specialty organizations, such as the American Society of Addiction Medicine, are focusing on increasing addiction training programs for residents, practicing physicians and students.

Also, an increasing number of hospitals have an addiction medicine specialist on staff who is available for student and resident teaching, as well as being available for in-house consultations.

The American Medical Association estimates that 25-40 percent of patients occupying general hospital beds are there for treatment of ailments that result from alcoholism. In the United States, the economic costs of alcohol abuse exceed $115 billion a year. Physicians in general practice, hospitals and specialty medicine have considerable potential to reduce the large burden of illness associated with alcohol abuse. For example, several randomized, controlled trials conducted in recent years demonstrate that brief interventions by physicians can significantly reduce the proportion of patients drinking at hazardous levels. But first, we as physicians must adjust our attitudes.

Alcoholism should not be judged as a problem of willpower, misconduct, or any other unscientific diagnosis. The problem must be accepted for what it is—a biopsychosocial disease with a strong genetic influence, obvious signs and symptoms, a natural progression and a fatal outcome if not treated. In the past 10 years, the medical profession’s and the public’s acceptance of smoking as an addictive disease has resulted in reducing nicotine use in the United States. I feel that similar strides can be made with alcohol abuse. We must begin, as we did with nicotine, by educating and convincing our own colleagues that alcoholism is a disease. We must also emphasize that physicians have played a significant role in reducing the mortality and morbidity from nicotine use through patient education. Through strong physician intervention, I believe that we can achieve similar results with alcohol abuse.

( I have not ommitted any part of this article)


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