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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:21 pm
 


Title: Bitterness lingers 75 years after Dieppe: �My father always felt that they had been sacrificed�
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Date: 2017-08-18 16:19:36
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https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/20 ... ficed.html


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:07 pm
 


I heard there's "blame on many many sides". Also the "fake media" doesn't want you to know that Canadians "came charging in" at the Nazis and didn't even have a permit.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:27 pm
 


Hey my Dad and all his buddies felt that way too. Britain "used" the colonials like they did at Gallipoli to spare its own.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:11 pm
 


herbie herbie:
Hey my Dad and all his buddies felt that way too. Britain "used" the colonials like they did at Gallipoli to spare its own.


Wrong.
Canadian generals argued strongly that they should go.
We volunteered for Dieppe.

And 350,000 British men fought at Gallipoli.
Bit more than the 60,000 ANZACS and the Newfs.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:30 pm
 


Doesn't matter, some of them were there. Some of them spent years in camps. That was how they felt.
It was the epitome of incompetence.


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herbie herbie:
Doesn't matter, some of them were there. Some of them spent years in camps. That was how they felt.
It was the epitome of incompetence.


Well it does matter when you first post "cannon fodder", and now try to walk back from it.

We volunteered.
Canadian Generals.
Canadian Staff.

As far as the operation itself being a huge steaming pile of crap,
yes, it was a mistake, made larger and larger every step of the way,
usually by British Senior Commanders.

Didn't you see the revisionist whitewash of Dieppe,
heroes going after the secret Enigma machine that they never found ?
Made the sacrifice all worthwhile it did.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:18 am
 


How is that revisionist?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:53 am
 


Dieppe vets and their families- still bitter
Blacks - still bitter
Natives - still bitter

The list goes on and on... hang on to that bitterness people, really good for you. :(


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:29 am
 


Tricks Tricks:
How is that revisionist?



They spent years trying to tell people that Dieppe was a prep for D-day,
and "lessons needed to be learned".
Everything the Allies needed to learn about how not to do seaborne landings
they should have learned at Gallipoli.

So, years later, the myth of the secret Enigma machine came out,
in another effort to mask the fact that:

a parachute drop to take out guns was scrubbed.
the RN cried a bloody river about sending anything bigger than
a destroyer across the Channel.
Air cover was 'meh' throughout the day.
the beach was 100% crap for tanks.. it's rocks, not sand.

I could go on, enough to say the whole operation should never have been approved
from the beginning.

Herbie's family is right from the point of view that,
our boys were hung out to dry that day... Today, 75 years later.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:33 am
 


I don't see how that's a myth though, It was in classified documents that were unsealed because of the time that had passed. Just because the story changed doesn't make it a myth or wrong.

It also doesn't excuse the failed planning of the operation, but I don't understand why you think it's a lie.


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Tricks Tricks:
I don't see how that's a myth though, It was in classified documents that were unsealed because of the time that had passed. Just because the story changed doesn't make it a myth or wrong.

It also doesn't excuse the failed planning of the operation, but I don't understand why you think it's a lie.



Because no one is ever able to answer the question:

If there was an Enigma machine, and if we had stolen it;

Would the Germans have known that we had one ?
What would the Germans have done about it ?

1. Obvious yes
2. Cancel Enigma and come up with something else fast.

The whole idea was to get an Enigma WITHOUT THE GERMANS KNOWING WE HAD ONE.
Stealing one from a town wouldn't have been a secret.
And even then, that is a job for Commandos, not sending a whole division.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:08 am
 


They did send a team of commandos. It was the 30 Assault Unit. It was headed by Ian Fleming. They just weren't successful in pulling it out. At the point they were at, they had nothing to go with any ways, Germany had just introduced the 4 rotor enigma and bletchley hadn't cracked it. So it wasn't the best plan for sure.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:43 am
 


raydan raydan:
Dieppe vets and their families- still bitter
Blacks - still bitter
Natives - still bitter

The list goes on and on... hang on to that bitterness people, really good for you. :(

John Nunziata wasn't bitter.


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