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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:32 pm
 


Title: Cost of Canadian Navy warship program jumps to $77 billion, says PBO | Ottawa Citizen
Category: Military
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Date: 2021-02-25 15:24:30
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:32 pm
 


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:35 pm
 


DND fucks up everything when it comes to procurement. This is why we can't have
nice things! And, if we are going to spend in the tens of billions, we should
get more than just 15 ships.

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Why is it the cost of things we never see being built keeps increasing? [huh]

And if they do get built, why is the contract not set in stone for these costs? Fuck, what a joke.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:30 am
 


very frustrating, Canada procurement is such a joke.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:16 am
 


Image

Based on that image, I'm tempted to say buy 4 Type 26s (2 each for the Pacific and Atlantic) and 20 to 24 Type 31es to support them. It's probably cost around $50 billion and we'd have almost twice as many hulls.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:49 am
 


uwish uwish:
very frustrating, Canada procurement is such a joke.


This is something we can ALL agree on!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:47 pm
 


This is the Canadian way.


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DND Procurement fucked up big-time again? Shocking, I tell you. Absolutely shocking. :lol:


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I suggest we buy warships abroad and make vaccines at home.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:32 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why is it the cost of things we never see being built keeps increasing? [huh]

And if they do get built, why is the contract not set in stone for these costs? Fuck, what a joke.


A big part of the problem is that these 'frigates' keep increasing in size and capability.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2021/ ... expensive/

When constructed, these will be roughly the same displacement and size as the USN's Arleigh Burke destroyers (9,400 tons) versus the current Halifax frigates at 4,800 tons. The Type 31e in the Ottawa Citizen article is closer to the Halifax frigates at about 6,000 tons (about 25% more displacement).

The RCN will get a significant boost in size and capabilities if we actually build 15 Type 26 'frigates'.


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bootlegga bootlegga:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why is it the cost of things we never see being built keeps increasing? [huh]

And if they do get built, why is the contract not set in stone for these costs? Fuck, what a joke.


A big part of the problem is that these 'frigates' keep increasing in size and capability.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2021/ ... expensive/

When constructed, these will be roughly the same displacement and size as the USN's Arleigh Burke destroyers (9,400 tons) versus the current Halifax frigates at 4,800 tons. The Type 31e in the Ottawa Citizen article is closer to the Halifax frigates at about 6,000 tons (about 25% more displacement).

The RCN will get a significant boost in size and capabilities if we actually build 15 Type 26 'frigates'.


I see what they are doing! They are trying to confuse the enemy, by calling a ship that is 10 times larger than a frigate was in WWII, a 'frigate'.

Crafty!


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Bigger is better!


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bootlegga bootlegga:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Why is it the cost of things we never see being built keeps increasing? [huh]

And if they do get built, why is the contract not set in stone for these costs? Fuck, what a joke.


A big part of the problem is that these 'frigates' keep increasing in size and capability.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2021/ ... expensive/

When constructed, these will be roughly the same displacement and size as the USN's Arleigh Burke destroyers (9,400 tons) versus the current Halifax frigates at 4,800 tons. The Type 31e in the Ottawa Citizen article is closer to the Halifax frigates at about 6,000 tons (about 25% more displacement).

The RCN will get a significant boost in size and capabilities if we actually build 15 Type 26 'frigates'.


Still, it doesn't make sense for the ship designs to be constantly evolving. When Lockheed Martin or Boeing or whoever designs a new fighter plane, there is usually a tech cutoff point where the design is finalized so that any new technology doesn't get added and prolong the development phase.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:45 pm
 




Tik makes a salient point about prices here. You can't know them if the market is rigged. If you can't know that then you can't get the resources and equipment to where and when you need it. Vested interests *cough* Irving shipyards, who own the entire media in New Brunswick and it's all behind a paywall, are very motivated to have contacts go their way.


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