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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:50 am
 


Title: Fake parts in Hercules aircraft called a genuine risk
Category: Military
Posted By: Strutz
Date: 2013-01-09 19:47:43
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:50 am
 


*wry smile, small chuckle*

*sadly realizes all of us are too stupid, invariably this will turn into Harper and Liberal shouting, rather than the real question..
How can we so stupid to let a competitor / enemy be making parts for us ?*

*thankful for the freedoms he has today, prays to not have another war, because we are going to lose.. rather badly*

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:24 am
 


Hasn't this been a common feared problem in all aircraft in both Canada and the United States for decades?

Nice to see little has really been done about it.

When you're not worrying about the planes in this story, you can worry about your own.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:28 am
 


It's a worldwide problem. I was just watching an episode of Mayday recently that dealt with a crash that was caused by flimsy fake parts. As much as the authorities are working to get rid of the problem, it will never be completely wiped out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:33 am
 


martin14 martin14:
*wry smile, small chuckle*

*sadly realizes all of us are too stupid, invariably this will turn into Harper and Liberal shouting, rather than the real question..
How can we so stupid to let a competitor / enemy be making parts for us ?*

*thankful for the freedoms he has today, prays to not have another war, because we are going to lose.. rather badly*

*shakes head*

*moves on to next topic*


Wrong.

The real question will be why the government lied about this... for fucking months.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:10 am
 


While it looks like we are in the same boat as everyone else who purchased the 130's, it may have been the manufacturer who passed along that information to the customers. Then again it could be political stupidity.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:24 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
martin14 martin14:
*wry smile, small chuckle*

*sadly realizes all of us are too stupid, invariably this will turn into Harper and Liberal shouting, rather than the real question..
How can we so stupid to let a competitor / enemy be making parts for us ?*

*thankful for the freedoms he has today, prays to not have another war, because we are going to lose.. rather badly*

*shakes head*

*moves on to next topic*


Wrong.

The real question will be why the government lied about this... for fucking months.


Maybe because they didn't want to advertise to the world that their military aircraft have faulty parts


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:25 am
 


putz putz:
Gunnair Gunnair:
martin14 martin14:
*wry smile, small chuckle*

*sadly realizes all of us are too stupid, invariably this will turn into Harper and Liberal shouting, rather than the real question..
How can we so stupid to let a competitor / enemy be making parts for us ?*

*thankful for the freedoms he has today, prays to not have another war, because we are going to lose.. rather badly*

*shakes head*

*moves on to next topic*


Wrong.

The real question will be why the government lied about this... for fucking months.


Maybe because they didn't want to advertise to the world that their military aircraft have faulty parts


Makes no sense. The US hasn't been shy about it....


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:45 am
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
Wrong.

The real question will be why the government lied about this... for fucking months.


In fairness, it might not be that they lied about this.

I guess it all depends on how much the government relied on info from Lockheed and how much digging they did on their own. If, in fact, they did know about it and lie about it, then it's a massive failure of this government.

If, on the other hand, they foolishly just relied on info from Lockheed, then it's nothing more than a lack of due diligence (and maybe a little incompetence) on their part.

However, given their past history (like with the F-35), you could very well be correct. We'll have to wait and see what comes out in the wash...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:51 am
 


Thank you Lockheed for keeping such a close eye on your supply chain.

Better step it up.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:06 pm
 


I put the blame totally on Lockheed. They at the very least be aware of their own parts and where they go. There is no excuse. These are multi-million dollar warplanes for cripes sake.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:13 pm
 


CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
I put the blame totally on Lockheed. They at the very least be aware of their own parts and where they go. There is no excuse. These are multi-million dollar warplanes for cripes sake.

-J.


How about the fact we've known for months but have not done anything about?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:36 pm
 


Evil Korean microchips, with a Chinese paint job on them.

On a lighter side I can just see two engineers having a chat about how they can figure out which parts are the fakes:

"Well the best way to figure it out is that the fakes work better."


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:15 pm
 


Interesting that they wanted to blow about $40 billion on the F35, saying "our troops deserve the best" and not holding Lockheed-Martin to any sort of fiscal accountability, but going cheap and buying parts from China for other things is somehow A-OK. What kind of sewer is it at DOD when it comes to procurement? No matter who's in charge of the government what the military keeps doing when it comes to purchases seems to get worse and worse every year.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:19 am
 


Xort Xort:
Evil Korean microchips, with a Chinese paint job on them.

On a lighter side I can just see two engineers having a chat about how they can figure out which parts are the fakes:

"Well the best way to figure it out is that the fakes work better."


You make light of it, but this is an example of how people will die needlessly.

Integrated Circuits have specific operating requirments. To build one to "Military Specifications", it must operate over a larger heat range than a retail version.

As the chip is used, it heats up. As it heats, it expands. If the expansion isn't compensated for in the materials used in the substrate, the silicon the chip is made on will shatter.

eg of specs: http://www.dscc.dla.mil/Downloads/MilSp ... idline.pdf

So, shaving off the case markings and marking it as 'mil spec' will result in failures, and if it's a non-redundant or critical system, you'll see failures that may cause deaths. Not too funny, even for someone with my sense of humour.


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