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If the organizers were telling the organized to commit crimes than I would agree with you that the organizers should be on the hook.
That's what the trial is for. Look, a 'protest' is when you voice your opinion, then go the fuck home. An 'occupation' is when you say you aren't going to leave till you force the government to change something you have an opinion on. In this case, health mandates that aren't the governments responsibility.* They planned to park their trucks, built daycares, parked RVs, built kitchens and hot tubs. It was not planned to be a protest, but an occupation, from the start.
*And the government of Alberta was found to have interfered in Health matters, against the legislation that governs Health by dropping health mandates in the "best summer ever" that killed hundreds of people.
So the organizers were indeed planning an illegal occupation of city streets. All that the trial is to discover is how much they restricted the rights of residents with their occupation and what the punishment should be.
I wholly support their right to peacefully assmeble and protest, but I have to ask - what exactly do they want, and how do they plan on getting it?
I haven't figured that out yet. They want "social and fiscal equality" but what is that? Guaranteed income? Flat tax rate? Bread and Circuses?
You said those words on this forum on Oct 18 2011. You said it on page 20 of the Occupy Wall Street Movement spreads to Canada thread. The Occupy movement were not hiding who they were. They were right in your face about who they were, and what they were all about. The word "occupy" says it all. Occupy Toronto. Occupy Montreal. Occupy Calgary, etc., etc.. Everywhere that they went their main goal was to occupy the place, yet you had no problem with a bunch of lefties occupying the entire country. You were not telling them to voice their opinion and then go the fuck home. They could stay until hell froze over and you were perfectly fine with that. I entered the word occupy in the search function. There were 34 matches. I read through all of them from start to finish. At no time did you ever state in any of the threads that it was time for the occupy crowd to go home. So this whole speak your piece and then leave mindset that you voiced today did not apply to lefties back in 2011. The occupy movement went on longer then the trucker convoy. The occupy movement was going on in every major city (and many smaller ones as well ) in Canada. The trucker convoy was basically one city, that being the capitol Ottawa. The entire country was under siege in 2011, yet Harper didn't make you look like a bunch of pussies by invoking the Emergencies Act.
And . . .? I don't recall the Occupy movement having semi tractors that blared air horns 24/7 so that the nearby residents developed PTSD, and had to dodge the myriad people accosting them for their wearing masks around the unvaccinated. And the Diagolon and Nazis? Were they occupying Wall Street?
From the beginning of the protests, I supported the right of the convoy to protest whatever they want. But as the protest progressed, they lost my support because of their actions during that protest.
Thanos saw what happened. It was obvious to anyone following the news. Unbiased news, anyhow.
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The entire world was not laughing with you, they were laughing at you. Some truckers set up some bouncy houses and you invoke the Emergency Act, seriously? Not one shooting. Not one stabbing. Zero deaths. Zero beatings. No smash and grabs at the stores. No electronic stores being looted. No buildings being burnt to the ground. Some horns and some bouncy rooms eh? I dare say that the good citizens of countless American cities would trade places with the candy asses living in Ottawa any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Somehow all those cities back in 2011 were able to clear out the riff raff without invoking the Emergencies Act. That speaks to what a bunch of pussies society has turned into since 2011. No one was deep throating trans cock back then. No one was being cancelled. But I digress, you were all about free speech when some lefties wanted to speak back in 2011. You had no problem with protesters occupying cities, lots of them. You only seemed to have a problem with free speech when someone on the right wanted to exercise their rights. You only had a problem with someone occupying a city (one ) when some righties wanted to do some occupying. You see the double standard here? Where were all the trials for the people who organized the occupy movements? I don't recall any of their bank accounts being frozen. Oh thats right, they are lefties. They don't have jobs therefore they don't have bank accounts to freeze. Why weren't all the people all across Canada who had their lives disrupted by the occupy movement asked to testify about their hardships? Oh thats right there weren't any trials. The whole country was disrupted yet a conservative Prime Minister was able to let it go. No Emergencies Act. No frozen bank accounts. No gestapo tactics that make you the laughing stock of the world.
I did all of those things? I approved of all of those things? You seem to read a lot of things into my posts that I have not written. And, no, the country was not disrupted in either case.
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Thats whats wrong with the world today. Now you have a leader that takes his marching orders from some hard core lefty politburo. They have an agenda to push. Anyone who disagrees has to be destroyed. They have weaponized the government to destroy all opposition to the collective. Now the Crown wants to hear from "witnesses" who had their lives disrupted by a protest. Hell the Crown never looked that hard for people who had their lives disrupted when Vancouver was destroyed by assholes after the Cup loss to give their statements. That was REAL damage. Going after a bunch of leftie drunken douchebags didn't really fit the Crown's narrative did it? There were some ACTUAL victims. But hey let some righties set up some bouncy houses and blow some horns and the Crown gets 15 days of calling in whiny candyasses to state their case that they should be on permanent disability due to the trauma that they had been exposed to. It is a double standard for sure.
Again, reading into my posts things I have not written. You did however read my post regarding 'conspiracy to commit' right? You can have a hockey game, and if a riot breaks out, it's not a crime. If you plan an occupation, then you are responsible for everything that happens. If you don't believe my summation of 'conspiracy to commit', take it from a US based Lawyer:
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In 2011 you were for free speech even if it meant occupying. Now you are not. On page 19 of that same thread you were stating that a person could work their way through college. You stated that you worked the night shift six days a week at $8.20 an hour to put yourself through school. You were proud of that fact. What happened to you? Where did that guy go?
When have I ever advocated
against free speech? The difference, again, was which protests were peaceful. Occupy Wall Street were peaceful protests, the Convoy actually had people with guns and body armour who were planning on killing cops. The question you are not asking is '
why have protests turned violent'. I mean, continue down that page to where they demand the G.G. appoint them to be the real Government of Canada. That was page 2 of a 70 page thread.
And the reason you assume I'm 'not that guy' anymore is the things you assume I write, that I didn't actually write.
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Gunnair stated the same thing, that he was away from his wife the entire summer to pay his way through college. He worked his ass off while he was going to college and graduated with no debt. Fellow Canadian EyeBrock then congratulates Gunnair on his hard work and his achievement. Where did those Canadians go?
No idea. I'd like to see them around here too.
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Now all I see on here is a bunch of whiny assholes who think that everything should be free. I encourage every one to go back and look at that thread. See how much things have changed around here. There are a handful of hard core lefties on here now that seemed like reasonable people back then. They were people that I would have liked to have a beer with. Three hardcore lefties today that were making fun of the occupy movement back then.
Really? Who around here thinks everything should be free? You quoted well from a 12 year old thread, perhaps you could quote some more recent posts that show where that belief comes from.
And why do people have to never change their views? I see that a lot as some form of argument. Isn't that the whole point of argument; to change people's opinions and views?
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Thanos was one of the biggest supporters of the occupy movement back then. Those same people that are hard core lefties now were giving him shit for supporting the occupy movement then. Its like we went through some kind of warp in the space time continuum. Back then Thanos was being ridiculed for supporting a left wing cause. These days he gets treated like he founded the John Birch society and started the tea party. The only real commie we had was Mr. C. The way things are going he probably owns a manufacturing facility in some third world shithole where eight year old kids work 16 hour days 6 days a week. He is probably flying around in a private jet. Probably part owner of a football team.
I quite agree. I worry about Thanos. He's become very dark lately. And "Public Domain" had a pretty hard childhood. I hope he is flying in a private jet somewhere.
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