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Posts: 14139
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:15 am
MacDonaill MacDonaill: Just a couple of days ago I went to a clinic because I was sick, and was told I'd have to pay because they 'don't deal with Quebec health insurance'. I find that ridiculous. Once there is true free trade and full inter-provincial faith and credit, all these problems will solve themselves because people will demand it.
That's nothing new really. You were refused treatment because the province of Quebec has for YEARS refused to pay the other provinces health plans when a Quebecker required medical attention out of province. Just another example of Quebec's militant and self absorbed attitude toward the rest of Canada.
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Posts: 42160
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:48 am
health care is a provincial issue not a federal one. Each province has its own plan, and its not just Quebec health insurance that wouldn't be honoured in Ontario, it would be all non residents.
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Posts: 6584
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:11 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: health care is a provincial issue not a federal one. Each province has its own plan, and its not just Quebec health insurance that wouldn't be honoured in Ontario, it would be all non residents. Point.
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Posts: 2398
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:44 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: health care is a provincial issue not a federal one. Each province has its own plan, and its not just Quebec health insurance that wouldn't be honoured in Ontario, it would be all non residents. That's actually not true. I went to a hospital and a clinic in Ontario and they accepted my BC Med card without question.
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Posts: 4805
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:57 am
QBall QBall: ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: health care is a provincial issue not a federal one. Each province has its own plan, and its not just Quebec health insurance that wouldn't be honoured in Ontario, it would be all non residents. That's actually not true. I went to a hospital and a clinic in Ontario and they accepted my BC Med card without question. It depends on the provice. If Quebec doesn't want to chip in nationally then their residents may have to pay for care out of province.
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Posts: 7580
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:08 am
I have never had a problem with my health insurance card and yes its a Québec one. I had treatment in BC and NS and no problems.. In responding to Tman1.... read the heading of this post " Majority in favour of official bilingualism"... so where is the minority dictating the majority? Time to dump your bias against Québec and get on with what is really good for the country. If more people had a positive attitude about Canada and its provinces and realized we are all here for the long haul, we wouldn't have the probems with Québec
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Posts: 8851
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:51 am
kenmore kenmore: I have never had a problem with my health insurance card and yes its a Québec one. I had treatment in BC and NS and no problems.. In responding to Tman1.... read the heading of this post " Majority in favour of official bilingualism"... so where is the minority dictating the majority? Time to dump your bias against Québec and get on with what is really good for the country. If more people had a positive attitude about Canada and its provinces and realized we are all here for the long haul, we wouldn't have the probems with Québec When Quebec, as a whole, takes the attitude that ' we should be treated equal to, not better than' any other province, only then will the problems disappear! For the record, I am not bilingual, but am in favor of anyone learning another language(s). To the point that Federal govt jobs should only go to those who are fluent in both of Canada's official languages. I would not qualify! By the same token, training in 'the other language' should be provided free of charge. 'Bilinguism' should not be forced down anyones throat!
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Posts: 42160
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:05 am
Yah like French would be really useful if you work for immigration in Vancouver. 
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Posts: 8851
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:22 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: Yah like French would be really useful if you work for immigration in Vancouver.  Actually, yes it would be. Immigrants should be required to be fairly fluent in either French or English!
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meee223
Junior Member
Posts: 91
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:55 pm
According to the province of Quebec, language laws were passed to protect the French language. Well, outside of Montreal, who doesn't speak French? And Montreal is pretty much bilingual. So why do Quebecers feel their language is being threatened out of existence? That's pretty much nonsense. Isn't the real reason the language laws were passed is because they are prejudice against the non-French speakers?
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Posts: 7580
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:47 pm
Quote from Yogi "When Quebec, as a whole, takes the attitude that ' we should be treated equal to, not better than' any other province, only then will the problems disappear! For the record, I am not bilingual, but am in favor of anyone learning another language(s). To the point that Federal govt jobs should only go to those who are fluent in both of Canada's official languages. I would not qualify! By the same token, training in 'the other language' should be provided free of charge. 'Bilinguism' should not be forced down anyones throat!"
If you don't qualify then learn the other OFFICIAL language. French speaking people have the right to services in French as do English speaking people the right to services in English. Other languages are nice to know, but they are not official languages that are enshrined in the constitution. get over it! and for the record nobody is shoving anything down your throat,,, if we could do that it would be common sense!
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Posts: 7580
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:58 pm
meee223 meee223: According to the province of Quebec, language laws were passed to protect the French language. Well, outside of Montreal, who doesn't speak French? And Montreal is pretty much bilingual. So why do Quebecers feel their language is being threatened out of existence? That's pretty much nonsense. Isn't the real reason the language laws were passed is because they are prejudice against the non-French speakers? Its called immigration..bill 101 was passed to protect french in Québec because given the numbers of immigrants is increasing in the province. French has survived in a English dominated North America despite efforts by some to have it otherwise. When asked about this issue ( I am bilingual, my mother was Québecoise and my father was British) I tell them how my mother who could not speak English back in the day, could not get a job in Montréal which was at that time English dominant. I also tell how her brothers who worked in the lumber industry and the mines could never be promoted because their English was poor... study the history and you will understand why we have bill 101 and why french has to be protected.. And for the record I have said if before and here now.. when English is threatened and it will be, then and only then will people understand why we took a stand. It had to be done
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ASLplease
CKA Elite
Posts: 4183
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:25 pm
I believe that french speaking quebecers have an underlying inferiority complex.
Too many years of french speaking factory workers that don't know the french title for their job because all of their bosses were english.
I am glad that times have changed and bilingual is more beneficial to a businessman than english only. But I still think that the majority of the bilingualism programs are expensive money pits, patronage that is rediculous.
If you come to Calgary, and get yourself arrested, I beleive that you have the right to an interpreter. But if you come to Calgary for a job, then you better damn well speak english or suffer from the language barrier just like any other non-english speaking worker might.
If I moved to Japan, I would take night classes to learn japanese. Is that a difficult concept for Quebecers?
Edit: Hell, if I worked in Banff, I'd take night classes to learn japanese.
Last edited by ASLplease on Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Chumley
CKA Elite
Posts: 3448
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:29 pm
They should make bilingualism a provincial thing. Alberta can have English and Ukranian as its official two.
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meee223
Junior Member
Posts: 91
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:06 am
kenmore kenmore: meee223 meee223: According to the province of Quebec, language laws were passed to protect the French language. Well, outside of Montreal, who doesn't speak French? And Montreal is pretty much bilingual. So why do Quebecers feel their language is being threatened out of existence? That's pretty much nonsense. Isn't the real reason the language laws were passed is because they are prejudice against the non-French speakers? Its called immigration..bill 101 was passed to protect french in Québec because given the numbers of immigrants is increasing in the province. French has survived in a English dominated North America despite efforts by some to have it otherwise. When asked about this issue ( I am bilingual, my mother was Québecoise and my father was British) I tell them how my mother who could not speak English back in the day, could not get a job in Montréal which was at that time English dominant. I also tell how her brothers who worked in the lumber industry and the mines could never be promoted because their English was poor... study the history and you will understand why we have bill 101 and why french has to be protected.. And for the record I have said if before and here now.. when English is threatened and it will be, then and only then will people understand why we took a stand. It had to be done What happened before with your mother and brothers was wrong, definitely. But now it's the other way around, sort of, with bilingualism required to work most jobs. Is that really any different? Bill 101 should never have been allowed by the Canadian gov't. It's basically taking away a human right. If you're English, Portuguese, Italian, or whatever and you have a business and wish to have a sign in front of your business in that language only, then that should always be your right. It should be your choice. I consider language in all of its forms a basic human right. The French language will never be threatened because of the sheer number of French in the province. Language laws are a smoke screen for extreme nationalism, at a provincial level. It's an evil that should never have come into existence and I personally know of French speaking Quebecers who have always agreed with me.
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