[Saskanna]

$1:

What happened before with your mother and brothers was wrong, definitely. But now it's the other way around, sort of, with bilingualism required to work most jobs. Is that really any different? Bill 101 should never have been allowed by the Canadian gov't. It's basically taking away a human right. If you're English, Portuguese, Italian, or whatever and you have a business and wish to have a sign in front of your business in that language only, then that should always be your right. It should be your choice. I consider language in all of its forms a basic human right. The French language will never be threatened because of the sheer number of French in the province. Language laws are a smoke screen for extreme nationalism, at a provincial level. It's an evil that should never have come into existence and I personally know of French speaking Quebecers who have always agreed with me.

Well said!

Especially this line:

" Language laws are a smoke screen for extreme nationalism,"

Right on.

[MacDonaill]

I can agree with the right to put unilingual signs up in any language you want using that logic, but at the same time I don't think it's extremely nationalistic to have such a law either. Many, if not most countries have such laws. They have a practical reasoning, but of course, most laws do, stupid ones included.

Anyway, Bill 101, or as it is called by it's correct name La Charte de la langue française (The Charter of the French Language), is not just about signs. That's just one part of it. The essential purpose of the law was to name French as the Province's official language, it's language of business, instruction and communication. It doesn't keep anyone from using any other language they want to in public or private, and if you're going to criticise it in its totality, you have to criticise all jurisdictions who have an official language.

[Tman1]

Chumley Chumley:

They should make bilingualism a provincial thing. Alberta can have English and Ukranian as its official two.

Huh?

[Tman1]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

I can agree with the right to put unilingual signs up in any language you want using that logic, but at the same time I don't think it's extremely nationalistic to have such a law either. Many, if not most countries have such laws. They have a practical reasoning, but of course, most laws do, stupid ones included.

Anyway, Bill 101, or as it is called by it's correct name La Charte de la langue française (The Charter of the French Language), is not just about signs. That's just one part of it. The essential purpose of the law was to name French as the Province's official language, it's language of business, instruction and communication. It doesn't keep anyone from using any other language they want to in public or private, and if you're going to criticise it in its totality, you have to criticise all jurisdictions who have an official language.

Great. Why doesn't the rest of Canada have English as an official language but Quebec is allowed to have french as the only one?

[Bodah]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

Anyway, Bill 101, or as it is called by it's correct name La Charte de la langue française (The Charter of the French Language), is not just about signs. That's just one part of it. The essential purpose of the law was to name French as the Province's official language, it's language of business, instruction and communication. It doesn't keep anyone from using any other language they want to in public or private, and if you're going to criticise it in its totality, you have to criticise all jurisdictions who have an official language.

I would consider having a sign with soley english on it as "public" use.

And in Quebec that would be illegal. In my opinion your not really a free country when the government tells you what language you have to run your business in, should be none of their damn business.

If people feel that bad about it dont buy there, in this case people sick the "language cops" on them instead. Remember that case, where a man refused to take down his english signs in Shawville I think it was, they threatened him with fines. When that didn't work, they gave him a notice of seizure for his property, vehicles etc....

60 Minutes got wind of it, wanted to do a story and got in touch with Langue Francaise office. Then the story changed said it was an administrative error and was dropped.

[KorbenDeck]

Bodah Bodah:

In my opinion your not really a free country when the government tells you what language you have to run your business in, should be none of their damn business.

So your saying that if a Spanish company got the contract for operating the emergency dispatch (911) that they should operate it in Spanish?

[Bodah]

kenmore kenmore:

I also tell how her brothers who worked in the lumber industry and the mines could never be promoted because their English was poor... study the history and you will understand why we have bill 101 and why french has to be protected.

And now you cant make it past Sergeant in the Canadian armed forces unless you speak french. Was that the plan ? We'll show you tarbarnak !!

What if WWIII broke out and we needed a large army, sorry mankind cant fight evil this time around dont have enough bilingual Officers.

[Bodah]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Bodah Bodah:

In my opinion your not really a free country when the government tells you what language you have to run your business in, should be none of their damn business.

So your saying that if a Spanish company got the contract for operating the emergency dispatch (911) that they should operate it in Spanish?

911 employees are civil servants aren't they ?

Bill and Ted runing my head shop wouldnt be.

[martin14]

meee223 meee223:

Bill 101 should never have been allowed by the Canadian gov't. It's basically taking away a human right.

They didn't.

The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.


The Provincial Government of Quebec uses the Notwithstanding Clause
for Bill 101.


And it's all legal.





I think the actual language law has been rewritten though.

[MacDonaill]

martin14 martin14:

meee223 meee223:

Bill 101 should never have been allowed by the Canadian gov't. It's basically taking away a human right.

They didn't.

The Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.


The Provincial Government of Quebec uses the Notwithstanding Clause
for Bill 101.


And it's all legal.





I think the actual language law has been rewritten though.

The Supreme Court struck down certain stipulations of the Charter of the French Language (it was only properly called Bill 101 before the bill became law), but never ruled the whole thing unconstitutional.

It is not unconstitutional, nor even unusual, for a territory to designate an official language (that of the majority). This, as I have already said, is the main purpose of the Charter. It isn't to punish, to exclude or to disenfranchise anyone or any group.

I invite all those interested in actually knowing what the Charter says and doesn't day to actually read it.

http://www.olf.gouv.qc.ca/english/charter/#t1status

[martin14]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

It isn't to punish, to exclude or to disenfranchise anyone or any group.

And yet it winds up doing all of things exactly.

Amazing

[KorbenDeck]

Bodah Bodah:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Bodah Bodah:

In my opinion your not really a free country when the government tells you what language you have to run your business in, should be none of their damn business.

So your saying that if a Spanish company got the contract for operating the emergency dispatch (911) that they should operate it in Spanish?

911 employees are civil servants aren't they ?

Bill and Ted runing my head shop wouldnt be.

911 employees are not civil servants. In BC telus is paid to run the emergency dispatch

[kenmore]

Bodah Bodah:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

Bodah Bodah:

In my opinion your not really a free country when the government tells you what language you have to run your business in, should be none of their damn business.

So your saying that if a Spanish company got the contract for operating the emergency dispatch (911) that they should operate it in Spanish?

911 employees are civil servants aren't they ?

Bill and Ted runing my head shop wouldnt be.

I didn't say I agreed with it but bill 101 is needed.. some would say " pay backs a bitch eh"

[Bodah]

kenmore kenmore:

I didn't say I agreed with it but bill 101 is needed.. some would say " pay backs a bitch eh"

Do you think outside of Quebec their should be laws for mandatory bilingual signs for private businesses for some provinces ?

[kenmore]

I think that the Country should be bilingual and every province should have to give services in both official languages. That would stop the crap from the separatists and the crap from those in other provinces as well.