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andyt
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:03 am
That would be a red herring argument.
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Lemmy
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:20 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce: Sure. Let's raise taxes on everything.
I mean, why not? Or, instead, how about we just tax the things that we'd like to see people use less of? "Two birds and one got stoned", as Ricky would say.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:51 am
Lemmy Lemmy: OnTheIce OnTheIce: Sure. Let's raise taxes on everything.
I mean, why not? Or, instead, how about we just tax the things that we'd like to see people use less of? "Two birds and one got stoned", as Ricky would say. Why not ban it all together?
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Lemmy
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:41 am
Brenda Brenda: Why not ban it all together? Gangs and guns, is the short answer. Remember your 1920s history?
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:49 am
Lemmy Lemmy: Brenda Brenda: Why not ban it all together? Gangs and guns, is the short answer. Remember your 1920s history? ...not to forget the enormous administration cost...
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:25 pm
Citizen. That apple is too sweet. It is in direct violation of edict A55 of the Carb Restriction Act. Dispose of it or face arrest.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:40 pm
Dam Prohibition rearing it's ugly head Eh??
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:48 pm
Lemmy Lemmy: OnTheIce OnTheIce: Taxes on cigarettes did little to nothing to curb use.
Education is what caused the decline in usage along with the habit being deemed socially unacceptable, not taxation. It's both. There's a lot of research on this topic and cigarette taxes do curb use. Unfortunately they also create a black market and, therefore, a substitute good, which greatly discourages quitting. But the key is, of course, education about the products' external costs: death. stratos stratos: My question is why Tax the consumer. Tax the company. I'll use Brenda's example of Coke but this can be for any product. For every gram of sugar coke puts in it's product over X amount tax them. Say the line is 10g, for ever gram coke goes over 10g's tax them.
Thus you can get the product taxed while at the same time having companies seriously look at their product and see if they can change the sugar amount to help reduce and or avoid the sugar tax. You tax the consumer to create an incentive for him/her to use less of it. But your solution is also one that creates an incentive, though not so directly to the consumer. Interesting idea. Which is the sum total of everyone's life regardless of how healthy they claim to live it. When is the world going to quit trying to save 'me' from myself!
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:29 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: Citizen. That apple is too sweet. It is in direct violation of edict A55 of the Carb Restriction Act. Dispose of it or face arrest.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:31 pm
Lemmy Lemmy: OnTheIce OnTheIce: Sure. Let's raise taxes on everything.
I mean, why not? Or, instead, how about we just tax the things that we'd like to see people use less of? "Two birds and one got stoned", as Ricky would say. Why would we want to rules peoples lives that way??? From cradle to grave? If I want to smoke, I smoke. If I want to eat sweet, I eat sweet. If I want to be salty, I'm salty
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:33 pm
$1: But the key is, of course, education about the products' external costs: death. We all die at some point. 200 years ago, the average was what, 35? Now, with alllll the bad stuff we eat... it's 80...
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Lemmy
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:48 pm
Yogi Yogi: Which is the sum total of everyone's life regardless of how healthy they claim to live it. When is the world going to quit trying to save 'me' from myself! I'm not sure I'm the person to answer that question. It could be a financial motivation. Your bad choices cost the public healthcare system a disproportionate burden. A healthy society provides external benefit to all. But maybe it's about saving your grandkids by discouraging them from undertaking the same irrational behaviours our generation undertook, because those behaviours were neither discouraged by education, economic incentive, nor social taboo back "in our day"? Brenda Brenda: Why would we want to rules peoples lives that way??? From cradle to grave? If I want to smoke, I smoke. If I want to eat sweet, I eat sweet. If I want to be salty, I'm salty Wouldn't you rather tax people for smoking than taxing their income? We need tax revenues. Do you concede that point? If so, it's down to a decision about how to collect those dollars. I suggest taxing behaviours which create public health burden. Those types of taxes should be preferred over taxing income, which should be encouraged.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:53 pm
I think dying at 65 or 70 after having enjoyed life is far better than to die at 90 suffering from the infirmities that plague the elderly. We are living too long, which is why we are seeing more cases of dementia/alzheimers. I see too many seniors who are existing rather than living.
My own grandmother was ready to die at age 86 and had been for a few years. Her health was failing, most of her friends had passed and my grandfather had been gone for almost 30 years. She fervently believed, rightly or wrongly,that they would once again be reunited.
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andyt
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:26 pm
Except this is about the every younger age people are getting adult onset diabetes - that's not exactly living it up, as some posters here can attest. And the fructose in pop can cause fatty liver disease. Sugar is also the new villain in obesity, which is ever increasing and doesn't make for a fun life either. It's also sugar that raises blood cholesterol.
It's not a matter of living just as healthy but a few years less, it's about living an impaired life for a long time.
Sugar is just an addiction. Fat and addicted is not way to go thru life.
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andyt
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:27 pm
Brenda Brenda: Why would we want to rules peoples lives that way??? From cradle to grave? If I want to smoke, I smoke. If I want to eat sweet, I eat sweet. If I want to be salty, I'm salty Go ahead. Just pay your stupid tax for what you are going to cost the healthcare system, and away you go.
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