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<strong>Title: </strong> <a href="/link.php?id=14295" target="_blank">Tories plan to protect same-sex opponents</a> (click to view)

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<strong>Posted By: </strong> <a href="/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=Scape" target="_blank">Scape</a>
<strong>Date: </strong> 2006-10-04 07:17:46
<strong>Canadian</strong>

[canadiansailor]

To be quite honest, I am not for or against same sex marriage. To be quite honest, it doesnt affect me and as such, I do not see why it is such a big deal. Now, I am neither pro or anti religion either. That being said, I feel that religions should be able to practice thier beliefs.
How does this all equate? Well to be honest, if a religion does not believe in same sex unions, you should not force them to recognize them. i.e. if you join a club that has certain rules, you should accept those rules or not join. However, when it comes to justices of the peace or judges, you are hired to make decisions based on the law of the land, not your personal beliefs. If the law says same sex marriage is legal, you should not have the option to refuse that marriage. If you have a religious bias, you should probable leave the job that you are uncomfortable doing and become a priest/minister/rabbi...etc.

[USCAdad]

To me this proves that freedoms of religion need to be re thought. Between the Jihadis and the Christianists, society is getting trashed. It's time to put limits and taxes on both.

[fredzena]

I believe that any two consenting adults, regardless of sexual preference should be able to be married. I'm not sure if a justice of the peace is an equivalent to the marriage commissioners we have in our province; if they are, they are independent business people who should have a right to refuse to do business with whomever they don't want to do business with. The couple will just have to look for someone else to perform the ceremony. I view the forcing of a civil marriage commissioner to perform a service they are not comfortable with a violation of their right to hold their individual belief.

[USCAdad]

$1:

I believe that any two consenting adults, regardless of sexual preference should be able to be married. I'm not sure if a justice of the peace is an equivalent to the marriage commissioners we have in our province; if they are, they are independent business people who should have a right to refuse to do business with whomever they don't want to do business with. The couple will just have to look for someone else to perform the ceremony. I view the forcing of a civil marriage commissioner to perform a service they are not comfortable with a violation of their right to hold their individual belief.

I'm ok with separate but equal. Christians shouldn't have to perform services for gays or anyone else. Everyone else should have the same rights toward Christians. People should be able to deny services to those that wear religious trappings. Don't even think of coming into the West End.

[Clogeroo]

$1:

I'm ok with separate but equal. Christians shouldn't have to perform services for gays or anyone else. Everyone else should have the same rights toward Christians. People should be able to deny services to those that wear religious trappings. Don't even think of coming into the West End.

I kind of agree as much as I oppose any sort of marriage of same sex couples and whatever else that doesn't mean they could not have another type of deal of a civil union where they get the benefits of a married couple. Church's should wed whomever they want too much like any place. Most people are not so much against homosexuals rights they are just against them calling it a marriage. I'm also for free speech if people do not believe in homosexuality or any type of marriage they should be allowed to express their views. I don't think the government should force people to accept values that people do not share and they shouldn't be punished for it.

[canadiansailor]

The thing about this, is it all boils down to seperation of church and state. Individual religions have the right to refuse the ceremonies based on religious beliefs, but government officials, such as a justice of the peace, are required to follow the laws in the performance of thier duties. If they are uncomfortable based on religious grounds, they should not take the job. I am in the military, if I didnt feel comfortable going into a war zone, I should have taken an equivilant job in the civilian sector not the military. Do I have to agree with where my government decides to send me? No. Do I have to do my job when they send me there? Yes. It is what I agreed to do when I took the job and it is what I am getting paid for.

[themasta]

canadiansailor canadiansailor:

The thing about this, is it all boils down to seperation of church and state. Individual religions have the right to refuse the ceremonies based on religious beliefs, but government officials, such as a justice of the peace, are required to follow the laws in the performance of thier duties. If they are uncomfortable based on religious grounds, they should not take the job. I am in the military, if I didnt feel comfortable going into a war zone, I should have taken an equivilant job in the civilian sector not the military. Do I have to agree with where my government decides to send me? No. Do I have to do my job when they send me there? Yes. It is what I agreed to do when I took the job and it is what I am getting paid for.

This is akin to allowing Sikhs to wear their turbans when they join the RCMP. Despite what the job is, nobody should be forced to do something contrary to their beliefs. Whether those beliefs are religious or not is beside the point, if you don't agree with it, you shouldn't have to do it. By forcing someone to go against their beliefs, you limit their freedoms as a human being and strip them of their individualism. Human rights go both ways.

[Scrappy]

I have no problem with same sex marrage/union however; Churchs that oppose same sex unions have the right to speak up and denounce it and also to refuse to officiate over a same sex union. The Gay community can't be allowed to push their agenda down Born Agains throats. Freedom of speech is suppose to be for all not just the Politically Correct crowd and Gays.

[USCAdad]

Scrappy Scrappy:

I have no problem with same sex marrage/union however; Churchs that oppose same sex unions have the right to speak up and denounce it and also to refuse to officiate over a same sex union. The Gay community can't be allowed to push their agenda down Born Agains throats. Freedom of speech is suppose to be for all not just the Politically Correct crowd and Gays.

So Christianists should be able to take out news paper ads denouncing gays, and jihadis should be able to take out ads condeming infidels. Yup this is going to be great. The only sane thing to do in this situation is for others to set up religious free zones.

[RUEZ]

USCAdad USCAdad:

To me this proves that freedoms of religion need to be re thought. Between the Jihadis and the Christianists, society is getting trashed. It's time to put limits and taxes on both.

Give me a break, I can't stand it when people with no beliefs try to trash christianity. Some christians don't believe in SSM, so what? That's thier right. I believe gays should be able to marry, but I also believe that christians should have a right to not participate in something they feel is wrong.

[RUEZ]

USCAdad USCAdad:

Scrappy Scrappy:

I have no problem with same sex marrage/union however; Churchs that oppose same sex unions have the right to speak up and denounce it and also to refuse to officiate over a same sex union. The Gay community can't be allowed to push their agenda down Born Agains throats. Freedom of speech is suppose to be for all not just the Politically Correct crowd and Gays.

So Christianists should be able to take out news paper ads denouncing gays, and jihadis should be able to take out ads condeming infidels. Yup this is going to be great. The only sane thing to do in this situation is for others to set up religious free zones.

I see you're a great proponent of freedom of speech, for those you agree with.

[USCAdad]

RUEZ RUEZ:

USCAdad USCAdad:

To me this proves that freedoms of religion need to be re thought. Between the Jihadis and the Christianists, society is getting trashed. It's time to put limits and taxes on both.

Give me a break, I can't stand it when people with no beliefs try to trash christianity. Some christians don't believe in SSM, so what? That's thier right. I believe gays should be able to marry, but I also believe that christians should have a right to not participate in something they feel is wrong.

Are Christians the only ones allowed not to participate in something they think is wrong? I'm advocating even stephen Christians want to trash on their neighbors? give their neighbors the same right. Or is this just special rights for Christians?

I don't beleive in absolute freedom of religion or speech. People should not be allowed to slander, yell fire in a theatre, promote the hatred of gays or start holy wars. Do you think Jihadi's should be allowed to insight violence to the extent that it's part of their religious tradition? Where do you come down on this?

[Scrappy]

Sorry but I believe in Absolute Freedom of Speech and I don't equate Christianity with the religion of Islam, I've yet to see a Christian in a peace rally call on Allah or God to strike down the infidels. Christians haven't used violence in a decades (excluding the abortion fanatics) Read some UK news papers, old holy hell is breaking out over there because everyones afraid to offend the Muslims so nothing is being down. What about offending the Christians? Muslim Protesters screaming and frothing at the mouth calling the Pope vile names in front of Churchs. Okay I don't like it but hay free speech is free speech but they can protest but let me try that in front of a Muslims place of worship and see me get arrested. This issue isn't about free speech it's about pandering to a Special Interest group. If Gays want to be equal than they have to put up with the same shit the rest of us do, if a Holy Roller is handing out leaflets on the evils of being a Homosexual don't read the leaflet problem solved.

[Hardy]

So let's see, if we're going to have religious exemptions to hate laws, then we get an unquestionable license to preach jihad. How about a Church of The Mark of Cain, where one can preach racial inequality? Or a Mel Gibson sort of church where they admonish the congregation that everything bad in the world is because of Jews?

And, since this extends to civil servants, not only can we merge hate groups and religion, but we can get the government in on it too. That's always a good idea.