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Doodles 
Junior Member
Posts: 77
 Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:01 pm
Wasting your breath. No matter what one says or do in Ontario,,, McGuinty is only gonna do what he wants. He and his clown college of Liberals will pay the ultimate price in the next election.
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ryan29
Forum Super Elite
Posts: 2879
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:37 pm
yeah mcguinty is going to continue governing arrogantly until he hopefully gets the boot as soon as possible , ontario desperately needs new leadership and a new government . as the current one is seriously going no where .
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Mustang1
CKA Super Elite
Posts: 7594
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:57 pm
I don't necessarily agree with McGuinty's refusal to seek consultation or input over the HST, but Hudak isn't going to be an answer, despite what the partisan parrots preach.
The Grits do need a shakeup, but Ontario doesn't need Harris retreads mucking it up again.
I'm hoping for a minority government - any party might do.
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Posts: 4805
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:04 pm
Even NDP ?
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Mustang1
CKA Super Elite
Posts: 7594
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:20 pm
Bodah Bodah: Even NDP ? Well...i'm not usually a big fan, but minority gov'ts do a good job at creating legislative check and balance, plus it eliminates ideologues from claiming they've got an "electoral mandate."
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Lemmy
CKA Uber
Posts: 12349
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:59 pm
Hudek is Harris-clone. Nothing could be worse for the province than to return that bunch to power. The HST makes a lot of economic sense, despite the natural reaction to a tax hike. It may not make McGuinty any friends, but it's objectively the right thing to do.
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Posts: 15681
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:16 pm
Yea, I'm loving five years of the 'health care premium' and no new hospitals in the region I live in, added in with 'smart growth' which has seen the region grow by 40% in ten years.
All good. Throw in more taxes for no more infrastructure for things I don't pay tax on now.
Nice, those Harris re-treads are looking good.
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Posts: 12398
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:22 pm
Lemmy Lemmy: Hudek is Harris-clone. Nothing could be worse for the province than to return that bunch to power. The HST makes a lot of economic sense, despite the natural reaction to a tax hike. It may not make McGuinty any friends, but it's objectively the right thing to do. Cmon Lemmy, Harris was a breath of fresh air after Bobs mishandling. Attack of the Clones is looking good.
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Posts: 15681
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:36 pm
I'm with you Plugs. The Ontario Liberals have just cost me money for nothing, chicks for free.....I'm name that song in three...
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Lemmy
CKA Uber
Posts: 12349
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:41 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug: Cmon Lemmy, Harris was a breath of fresh air after Bobs mishandling.
Attack of the Clones is looking good. Harris can never be forgiven for MPAC and the downloading of services on the municipalities. I'm as mad about that as EyeBrock is about the health-care premium. Harris also damn near destroyed education in this province and was set to do the same to healthcare. Dalton hasn't done a great job. I'm pissed about a lot of things in Provincial government, and I don't know who I going to vote for next time, but Harris was not a "breath of fresh air"..he was WORSE than Rae, 100 times worse than Rae.
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Posts: 15681
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:52 pm
Well, as an immigrant Rae put barriers in me getting a job. I'm white, I'm male and I speak English as a first language.
These were all bad things when I first came to Ontario in 1994.
Harris, well I got hired once he got in and 'Equity' hiring was binned.
Once Dalton got in I had a huge chunk taken from my wages for the 'Health care premium'. It was another 7% of my pre-tax wage that both my wife and I lost.
Three years ago we had a kid. We were jammed into the only hospital in our city that has had no obvious benefits from the extra taxes I have dutifully paid. We ended up in a packed maternity ward with overworked staff.
The whole 'smart growth' has meant that Mattamy et al have levelled green fields where I live and built monster homes on tiny lots.
I am less than jolly at paying even more taxes for this party that has done nothing for my standard of living. Just more taxes for less service and more people trying to get the same, degrading service.
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Mustang1
CKA Super Elite
Posts: 7594
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:59 pm
Lemmy Lemmy: PluggyRug PluggyRug: Cmon Lemmy, Harris was a breath of fresh air after Bobs mishandling.
Attack of the Clones is looking good. Harris can never be forgiven for MPAC and the downloading of services on the municipalities. I'm as mad about that as EyeBrock is about the health-care premium. Harris also damn near destroyed education in this province and was set to do the same to healthcare. Dalton hasn't done a great job. I'm pissed about a lot of things in Provincial government, and I don't know who I going to vote for next time, but Harris was not a "breath of fresh air"..he was WORSE than Rae, 100 times worse than Rae. I wholeheartedly agree - Harris a complete moron. His Common Sense Revolution (anything but) was a Reform-style ideology (as opposed to the traditional Red Toryism of Ontario Conservatism) that electorally came on the heels of Rae's misinterpretation of a protest vote as a mandate. I haven't been exactly thrilled with McGuinty as of late, but i'd still take him than another round of Harris-style debacles
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Posts: 15681
Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:15 pm
Well Mustang, the Libs have cost me a lot of money for no gain. Why should I look forward to more of the same?
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Mustang1
CKA Super Elite
Posts: 7594
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:16 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock: Well Mustang, the Libs have cost me a lot of money for no gain. Why should I look forward to more of the same? And who says Hudak won't be the same or worse? As I said before, McGuinty has slipped into the arrogance of governance, but i'm not about to simply throw Ontario back to Harris-Hudak as a solution. Ontario needs a minority gov't. Plain and simple.
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