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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:47 pm
 


http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/ar ... 6/04/38772
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Classified advertisements for private English tutors and cram school instructors in Taipei's English-language dailies routinely call for "Western-looking applicants," "no ABCs [American Born Chinese] please" and "native foreigners only."

Those who don't fit the descriptions will sometimes be offered positions -- but for lower wages. And many schools are unapologetic about their practices, saying a white face is needed to placate parents' demands.

The Giraffe English Language School recently placed an ad discouraging ABCs from applying. "We need real foreigners," says Stella Young, a Taiwanese teacher at Giraffe. "Parents have that requirement."
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Becker, who was born in Spain but raised in the US since the age of three, has Malaysian, Thai, English, Polish and German ancestries[sic] . Since she began teaching last August, several parents of her students have complained that their child was not receiving the "full, foreign experience" because Becker did not look white, she says.

"Their perspective is that if someone is white, they're American," Becker says. "If they're not white, they're not American. I understand that it's just ignorance, but it's really hard for me to swallow."
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The parents' stereotypes also influence schools and their hiring policies. Parents, who often pay as much as NT$8,000 for three-month lessons, have the financial power of placing pressure on private cram schools to satisfy their requirements, however whimsical.

"Parents who don't understand English will believe the myth that white teachers can teach their kids better English," says Melanie Lin, the chief of the teaching department at Kid Castle American School. "From a marketing standpoint, it's understandable why schools would want to hire more white teachers," she says, adding that Kid Castle doesn't discriminate.
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"Most Taiwanese parents don't care much about a teacher's educational background, as long as they're white and American," Liao says. "But it's more important for me to hire someone with experience. I would never judge job applicants by their color, but I know that the situation is very different outside of my school."





I've underlined one of the most important problems, with regards to ESL here in Taiwan. Thank Christ I deal with university educated professionals who for the most part, have travelled to the Angloshere, and many have lived and gone to school there as well. Although the story was originally run twelve years ago, not much has changed.

It's not just Taiwan, it's regional. The quote below is aboutn the personal experiences of a BBC in Hong Kong of all places.
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Cecilia Wan, born in England to Chinese parents, says the preference for white English teachers extends beyond Taiwan to other Asian cities and countries. While living in Hong Kong two summers ago, she applied for a job that required a "native English speaker" and was quickly dismissed. "They blatantly told me `You're Chinese, not Caucasian. You can't teach our kids,'" Wan says.

Wan now teaches for Hess, but thinks that as recently as three years ago, it would have been difficult for her to get the job. "Back then, before there were so many branches, if you were an American born, British born or Canadian born Chinese, forget about landing a position," she says.

Parents of her students are often surprised to learn that she is the English teacher, but most of them soon move beyond the initial shock. One mother, however, demanded copies of every piece of teaching material to monitor the way Wan taught her child.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:26 pm
 


But, but, but but, only Whitey can be racist, everyone else is sweetness and light. :)

Nice to see some reality for a change..


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:01 pm
 


Being White can be big business in Aisa. Some White actors even move to China so companies can hire them to stand around at meetings. Having a White guy on your team means your company is successful.


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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:30 pm
 


Sorta what we do here with racial quotas. Is it racism if you favor a race not your own?


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What if a native homeowner wanted to rent to whites only and refused to rent his property to fellow natives, would they have a case for discrimination? Likely. However the people being discriminated against here are only ethnically Chinese, they aren't Taiwanese nationals. I know blacks and Indians who have had the same problems here, and as the story mentioned, the girl first discussed was essentially a Heinz57. She wasn't black, white or Asian, she was a beige Westerner.


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What if a native homeowner wanted to rent to whites only and refused to rent his property to fellow natives, would they have a case for discrimination? Likely. However the people being discriminated against here are only ethnically Chinese, they aren't Taiwanese nationals. I know blacks and Indians who have had the same problems here, and as the story mentioned, the girl first discussed was essentially a Heinz57. She wasn't black, white or Asian, she was a beige Westerner.


Nobody can tell you who you can rent your private property to. If I want to allow only black people to rent my house, that's my decision.

I see it all the time in the real estate/rental business. People from India only rent to those from India, etc.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:52 am
 


When I worked in Taiwan, that happened to a CBC (Canadian born Chinese) teacher who worked for the same company I did. She was dismissed from the school she taught at and the principal asked for a real teacher to be sent over. She spoke Mandarin and Cantonese, but English was still her native language.

Over the course of a couple weeks, she went to a couple different schools and one by one they all sent her back, requesting a whitey. Eventually, the company was forced to pay her to work in the office doing secretarial work. She decided to quit and went to work for a multi-national, earning more than any of English teachers.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:42 am
 


If the Taiwanese want to hold such opinions then the rules of tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism dictate that we're supposed to accept their views as equally valid to our own.

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I doubt their views are so different from ours, they're just more open about them because pc hasn't been forced on them yet. The claim is that in Canada, visible minorities born here suffer a 30% deficit in pay in Eastern Canada, and 10% in BC because of discrimination. When resumes are sent out that have European based names, they do much better than those with Asian names. And the Natives would have a thing or two to say about prejudice. While all that may be overplayed at times, and we bend over backwards too far to be pc, it's not as if we don't have prejudice in Canada. I would hazard the same is true in your country.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:14 am
 


We have much the same thing here. Interestingly, a recent study found that the most discriminatory segment of our population is...blacks.

Black managers and black mid-to-large business owners hire black employees at a rate of less than 25% of their white counterparts.

Black managers were far more likely to discriminate against resumes with 'black' names on them as opposed to white managers.

This is because in black social circles people who have 'black' names like Shaniqua, La Morris, Cyan, Uniqua, and etc. are viewed as ignorant. Many ladder-climbing blacks are known to legally change their names when they enter adulthood in order to leverage themselves into better paying positions.

I recall a young man named Bayron Zulu who was professionally stymied and I told him he could change his name for $110 at the County Recorder's Office, which he did. He adopted the name of William Campbell and is currently a distribution manager with Honda.

The lesson here is not to attack people for discriminating because of their perceptions of names, the lesson is to acknowledge the fact and adopt a name that's going to get you ahead. Waiting for society to someday change its perceptions won't do a bloody thing for you if you need a decent job today.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:00 pm
 


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I doubt their views are so different from ours, they're just more open about them because pc hasn't been forced on them yet. The claim is that in Canada, visible minorities born here suffer a 30% deficit in pay in Eastern Canada, and 10% in BC because of discrimination. When resumes are sent out that have European based names, they do much better than those with Asian names. And the Natives would have a thing or two to say about prejudice. While all that may be overplayed at times, and we bend over backwards too far to be pc, it's not as if we don't have prejudice in Canada. I would hazard the same is true in your country.

Andy, you are right. What you said applies in The States as well.


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looking at your avatar, you obviously didn't read the forum rules. learn to play by them or you'll be gone PDQ.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:54 am
 


I remember apply for a government job some time ago and getting a letter basically stating under this act "bla bla bla" you're perfectly qualified but because you have a white penis, sorry. Thanks Liberals.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:53 am
 


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We have much the same thing here. Interestingly, a recent study found that the most discriminatory segment of our population is...blacks.

I am NOT surprised.

I get very annoyed with women who yell "Thick, black and beautiful" but call me racist when I yell "Thin, white and gorgeous"


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Brenda Brenda:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
We have much the same thing here. Interestingly, a recent study found that the most discriminatory segment of our population is...blacks.

I am NOT surprised.

I get very annoyed with women who yell "Thick, black and beautiful" but call me racist when I yell "Thin, white and gorgeous"


Get a lot of women yelling thick black and beautiful where you live, do you? I've never heard it once, living in the big smoke.

Every ethnicity/race/country etc is biased towards itself. BC is the best place on earth, as we know. The only difference is that many white people have allowed themselves to buy into white guilt. Because we seem to be the only group that's actually admitted that some of what we've done (and continue to do) wasn't very nice, and we want to try to do better.

And in Canada that's furthered by people playing the race card at every opportunity.


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