[PostFactum]

It's not usual for human not to eat meat, our eyes are like most of predators have - we see subject and we can see in general distance to it, we see colors much better than grass eating animals. Our jaw is combination of grass eating and meat eating animal. And should say that at 0:2 AM walking via city park, vegan has much more chances to lose his wallet and cell phone. I had one vegan in the gym last year, when others were growing their lift power, he arrived he could push up 60 kg. And after a year he still can push up only 60 kg. In dressing room this skeleton is explaining how healthy he is some guys have desire to broke him something.

[ShepherdsDog]

Some evolutionary biologist have speculated that humans enjoyed a semi aquatic phase in our development,where our diet was heavily influenced by shellfish and other tidal creatures. These foods which were heavy in cholesterol also had an impact on our brain development......which requires large amounts of cholesterol to develop. ig game was rare....shrimp, crabs, clams and such were common. This is why it is detrimental to young children to exclude meat. It also retards our immune system. Those who are put on statins can often experience an increase in infections and ailments.

[PluggyRug]

fifeboy fifeboy:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Eat anything and everything in moderation, sticking to one food type will cause health problems. Vary your diet.

Your right of course except for one thing..BACON..gotta have BACON!

Included (in moderation) is the English 'full monty' breakfast. Eaten on a morning before a 5 hour fishing match.

Bacon (Danish)
Eggs (sunny side up for dipping your toast)
Sausage
Tomato
Baked Beans
Served on a large plate so it will all fit.
Toast and Coffee

[Jabberwalker]

Bacon (Danish)
Eggs (sunny side up for dipping your toast)
Sausage
Tomato
Baked Beans
Cardiac Needle
Beta Blocker
Served on a large plate so it will all fit.
Toast and Coffee

[saturn_656]

The Gorilla info is interesting, but they aren't our closest primate relative.

The Bonobo (along with the common chimpanzee) is. They are both omnivorous.

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

The Gorilla info is interesting, but they aren't our closest primate relative.

The Bonobo (along with the common chimpanzee) is. They are both omnivorous.

But mostly vegetarian. So eat in moderation, mostly plants still applies. Nothing wrong with an ovo lacto vegetarian diet. You get your B12 and everything. Veganism seems way over the edge.

[andyt]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Bacon (Danish)
Eggs (sunny side up for dipping your toast)
Sausage
Tomato
Baked Beans
Cardiac Needle
Beta Blocker
Served on a large plate so it will all fit.
Toast and Coffee

Forgot the kippers. Lots of omega 3's for your heart.

[fifeboy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It`s not meat that is causing problems, it`s the mass produced processed crap that we consume and the store bought beef and pork that is pumped full of steroids and antibiotics. A diet where most of your protein is wild game and fish, and you consume plenty of fruits and veggies is the best there is. We`re picking up another hundred pounds of moose(ground and roasts) tomorrow and 75 lbs of jumper in Smeaton

And right you are. I however, am very jealous of your supply of moose meat. I love moose and have had abysmal luck in the hunting of the beasts.

[Jabberwalker]

fifeboy fifeboy:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It`s not meat that is causing problems, it`s the mass produced processed crap that we consume and the store bought beef and pork that is pumped full of steroids and antibiotics. A diet where most of your protein is wild game and fish, and you consume plenty of fruits and veggies is the best there is. We`re picking up another hundred pounds of moose(ground and roasts) tomorrow and 75 lbs of jumper in Smeaton

And right you are. I however, am very jealous of your supply of moose meat. I love moose and have had abysmal luck in the hunting of the beasts.

Go for a high speed drive around Newfoundland at night. They'll find you.

[Delwin]

I have absolutely no problem with people who choose veganism. If they they want to deprive themselves of what I consider to be one of the pleasures of life, far be it for me to stop them. It keeps the price of my beef, pork, and chicken down.

I think the arguments that we are herbivores are a complete joke, and even I would challenge any of them to find an area of the planet where in nature they would be able to healthily sustain their diets using only the plants from that area.

I think it has been well established that long before we became subsistence farmers, we were migratory "follow the heard" animals, it explains the habitation of the Americas across the land bridge and the habitation of the planet by humans in general.

I do have something of an issue with vegan pregnancy, I am not convinced that a vegan diet has all of the necessary nutrients required for the development of the fetus and I think it is irresponsible for a mother to assume that it is OK to experiment with their unborn children.

There have been a number of cases in the U.S. and Europe of malnutrition and starvation of children by Vegan parents and this is when the child was outside of the womb. I have this inkling that vegans are extremely stubborn in their ideologies and wouldn't give their children a hamburger even if it meant saving their lives.

Vegan parents on trial for baby's severe malnutrition
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/24/ctv.swinton/

French vegan couple whose baby died of vitamin deficiency after being fed solely on breast milk face jail for child neglect
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... iency.html

Vegan couple will serve life sentences for starving baby to death, court rules

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z2y2myJpRZ

[fifeboy]

housewife housewife:

Oh everything is bad for our health. Doesn't matter what you eat or how you eat it there will be someone telling you it's bad for your health. I was told once to be careful drinking water... said the additives in city water would kill me. you can't win

Well, the stats are in and even fiddledog will have a hard time disputing them, if you can avoid being born, you can avoid dying.

[fifeboy]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

fifeboy fifeboy:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It`s not meat that is causing problems, it`s the mass produced processed crap that we consume and the store bought beef and pork that is pumped full of steroids and antibiotics. A diet where most of your protein is wild game and fish, and you consume plenty of fruits and veggies is the best there is. We`re picking up another hundred pounds of moose(ground and roasts) tomorrow and 75 lbs of jumper in Smeaton

And right you are. I however, am very jealous of your supply of moose meat. I love moose and have had abysmal luck in the hunting of the beasts.

Go for a high speed drive around Newfoundland at night. They'll find you.

Same sort of problem in the forest fringe areas out west. Moose don't reflect as well as deer do and make a much bigger dent.

[fifeboy]

Delwin Delwin:

I have absolutely no problem with people who choose veganism. If they they want to deprive themselves of what I consider to be one of the pleasures of life, far be it for me to stop them. It keeps the price of my beef, pork, and chicken down.

I think the arguments that we are herbivores are a complete joke, and even I would challenge any of them to find an area of the planet where in nature they would be able to healthily sustain their diets using only the plants from that area.

I think it has been well established that long before we became subsistence farmers, we were migratory "follow the heard" animals, it explains the habitation of the Americas across the land bridge and the habitation of the planet by humans in general.

I do have something of an issue with vegan pregnancy, I am not convinced that a vegan diet has all of the necessary nutrients required for the development of the fetus and I think it is irresponsible for a mother to assume that it is OK to experiment with their unborn children.

There have been a number of cases in the U.S. and Europe of malnutrition and starvation of children by Vegan parents and this is when the child was outside of the whom. I have this inkling that vegans are extremely stubborn in their ideologies and wouldn't give their children a hamburger even if it meant saving their lives.

Vegan parents on trial for baby's severe malnutrition
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/24/ctv.swinton/

French vegan couple whose baby died of vitamin deficiency after being fed solely on breast milk face jail for child neglect
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... iency.html

Vegan couple will serve life sentences for starving baby to death, court rules

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z2y2myJpRZ

Being a vegan requires much more thought than eating a regular diet. I have known very fat vegetarians and some very fit (like in triathletes) vegans.

[Jabberwalker]

[/quote]

Go for a high speed drive around Newfoundland at night. They'll find you.[/quote]
Same sort of problem in the forest fringe areas out west. Moose don't reflect as well as deer do and make a much bigger dent.[/quote]

In Newfoundland, they were introduced, have no natural predators (except us) and they've reproduced like the bunny rabbits in Australia.

p.s. ... not just a Western problem. The road between here and Sudbury is quite dangerous at night during Noose mating season.

[PostFactum]

How vegan can be fat? Is it possible?