[Constantinople]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Hey USofA1776;

(sniff) ...... You stink!

Did mommy say you could only use grade school "humor"?

[CamCKA]

$1:

It's impossible to know. You'll find out when you're dead and when you are, come back and tell us.

Totally agree with you. Of course we can't know if there's a God. It's an inherently unprovable question. some people will say "Well THAT'S convenient, isn't it?". Hell no! I desperately want to KNOW, but I can't.

However, lack of knowledge does not necessarily induce lack of belief. There are plenty of things that we believe without knowing.

Here's a random example that just occured to me:
I believe that my best friend is a human being, not a cyborg designed by an alien race to study me. But I don't KNOW it. I have no proof. If these aliens are really smart, maybe they COULD create a cyborg that would look and act enough like a human to fool me. It's entirely possible.

You might say, "yeah but it's unlikely". How do you know that it's unlikely? Actually, I have no way of evaluating whether or not it's probable. Maybe there are millions of super intelligent alien races out there, running tests on little planets like ours, and half the people on this earth are just their cyborgs. I can't say whether it's probable or not, because I have defined a scenario that I am totally ignorant of, and therefore incapable of evaluating.

There's a whole world of things going on here on earth that the colonies of ants in my garden are totally ignorant of.

So, my best friend might be a cyborg. I don't KNOW that it's not true, and I can't even assert that it's improbable. All I can say is that I believe he isn't a cyborg.

Just like I believe in God. I could be totally wrong. And I recognise that. But it doesn't stop me from choosing to believe it. I can't measure the probability of it, I just choose to believe, because I prefer to believe it. Just like I prefer to believe that my friend isn't a cyborg.

- CamCKA

[BeaverBill]

I don't believe that any one group has the authority to define the undefineable, spiritually speaking, being either the atheists or the religious devout. Both of which have a high probability to be incorrect in their assumptions.

[CamCKA]

No argument here.

[DerbyX]

theUSofA1776 wrote:

$1:

Did mommy say you could only use grade school "humor"?

Quit your whinging you wanker!

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Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Any agnostics out there...

Oh god, if there is a God

Save my soul, if I have a Soul.

Please accept this large donation to buy my place in heaven.

What ya mean the church needs new solid gold candlesticks.
This money is to buy my heavenly seat.

Can I take the candlesticks with me?

We agnostics do not believe in god for the reason that we believe that there is some type of Divine entity out there. We do not believe in, as many religions nowadays say, "The One True God." We also do not believe in this crap about: "if you don't worship our true god, you will burn in hell."


We simply believe in a divine entity but that is is not any of the gods. Everyone is entitled to their own form of agnosticism in the sense that my personal view is that there is a temporary neutral zone, like earth. Good and bad deeds are placed on a scale, your life is reviewed by the divine entity and you learn what you need to improve on in your next life. Eternity with God????? No way. Which is why we believe in reincarnation. One of the whole points of being agnostic is that we don't say prayers. Unless you are part agnostic which some people say they are which makes no sense at all...


I find religion as a whole to be rather ridiculous yet fascinating to learn about. And unlike some people on this site, (not you in particular) I would never cast down a religion, say it needs to be destroyed, or that it is evil.

Mr Arctic, just testing the waters, my views are similar to those stated by yourself above. I will never understand why wars are fought over religion.










I rest my case........