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Jackass
Active Member
Posts: 235
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:22 pm
Agreed, best way to deal with NK is to cut off all aid and imports. Would be alot more effective if we could get others to join in but America alone should be enough to make them re-think their nuclear policy.
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fred22
Active Member
Posts: 225
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:18 am
The chinese could pick up the slack if they wanted to. starving the whole population and especially the leadership could cause them to launch. It would be better to wait and see and consult closely with the Chinese as they alone seem to have influance over them. Jackass what do you mean take care of Islam?
Cheers
fred
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AdamNF
Forum Elite
Posts: 1134
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:02 am
Welcome to the real world. The USA is not going to invade Iran, and the USA is not going to invade North Korea.
Iran has Russia as an ally and many European trade partners. They won’t be touched by the USA. North Korea has the 4th largest army in the world. North Koreas only real ally is China, and incase you haven’t noticed China is extremely powerful, militarily and economically and hold a large amount of power over the region and the World. At worst the USA and its allies will not risk a war with both China and North Korea (which we would lose), at best the USA and is allies do not want to lose Chinas 2 Billion consumers.
Oh, China and Russia also have veto powers in the Security Council.
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Posts: 8157
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:26 pm
Somebody in Iran needs to be strung up for this.
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Johnnybgoodaaaaa
Forum Elite
Posts: 1433
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Johnnybgoodaaaaa
Forum Elite
Posts: 1433
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:29 pm
AdamNF AdamNF: Welcome to the real world. The USA is not going to invade Iran, and the USA is not going to invade North Korea.
Iran has Russia as an ally and many European trade partners. They won’t be touched by the USA. North Korea has the 4th largest army in the world. North Koreas only real ally is China, and incase you haven’t noticed China is extremely powerful, militarily and economically and hold a large amount of power over the region and the World. At worst the USA and its allies will not risk a war with both China and North Korea (which we would lose), at best the USA and is allies do not want to lose Chinas 2 Billion consumers.
Oh, China and Russia also have veto powers in the Security Council.
In all honesty, I think in a war between China the US and North Koraa and all those countries, no one would win. I was watching a special on the History Channel today about the US's nuclear weapons and the subs they have. Iran is quite possibly getting nere having a nuke, and has just now obtained the capabilities to launch a nuke as far as Israel(at leat according to reports). The US's nukes on the other hand can consist of 1 missle with tons of warheads which could nuke multiple locations.
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FuBaR
CKA Moderator
Posts: 347
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:41 pm
What I dont understand is why can the U.S. have nukes to protect themselves, but nobody else can?
The Iranian's have taken the media to their nuclear reactors showing them that all they are doing is making electricity.
Nothing is going to happen military wise because the only one's who are really going to care is the United States. By the time everything is wrapped in Iraq and the U.S. Military has built up again and ready for action Hilary Clinton is going to be in charge and the world will be shroud in the light cloack of peace.
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Johnnybgoodaaaaa
Forum Elite
Posts: 1433
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:44 pm
GA-FuBaR GA-FuBaR: What I dont understand is why can the U.S. have nukes to protect themselves, but nobody else can?
The Iranian's have taken the media to their nuclear reactors showing them that all they are doing is making electricity.
Nothing is going to happen military wise because the only one's who are really going to care is the United States. By the time everything is wrapped in Iraq and the U.S. Military has built up again and ready for action Hilary Clinton is going to be in charge and the world will be shroud in the light cloack of peace.
Hmm, so do you expect that if Iran DID have a "secret" nuclear program they would let the media in? There's ways of hiding things, and if they did have a program, I doubt they would show the people. The USSR did the same thing with BIO weapons. They had inspectors visit places, in which they would clean the place out before they came and move the program to some other place, or not show them certain areas. The main thing the US and the world is trying to do is stop the proliferation of weapons. It's not just an issue of a country having nukes, but the technology spreading. Some people might say that if every country had nukes the world would be a safe place, but who's to say some idiot won't obtain the technology and spread it even more like the guy in Pakistan?
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FuBaR
CKA Moderator
Posts: 347
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:54 pm
But invading a country on speculation as you would be doing in this case is stupid and illegal.
The problem is that the U.S. is trying to use the nuclear status as a way to bolster the superiortiy in the Middle East and its obviously isnt working.
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Johnnybgoodaaaaa
Forum Elite
Posts: 1433
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:59 pm
GA-FuBaR GA-FuBaR: But invading a country on speculation as you would be doing in this case is stupid and illegal.
The problem is that the U.S. is trying to use the nuclear status as a way to bolster the superiortiy in the Middle East and its obviously isnt working.
I never said we should invade them. I am all for diplomacy with Iran and the European's idea of what to do, I'm just saying a country like Iran doesn't need nukes and we need to stop the proliferation of weapons. The different between Iran and the US is that it's a 3rd world nation. Look at what happened in Russia when they fell -- now we have to pay to watch their nukes. What happens if there's a revolution in Iran? Also, Iran being an enemy of the US, do you want your enemies to have nukes? I just don't think that Iran is a good country to have nukes. I feel much safer with a country like India having nukes than Iran. I think we need to stop proliferation of weapons, no spread them and say it's okay for everyone to have them. The irony of the whole situation is that the only reason the US would want to attack Iran is if they have a nuke program -- so how are nukes making the middle east peaceful and productive?
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FuBaR
CKA Moderator
Posts: 347
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:56 pm
$1: Also, Iran being an enemy of the US, do you want your enemies to have nukes?
So what justifies U.S. to have nuclear weapons to protect themselves from their enemies compared to a third world country protecting themselves from their enemies. What you are saying is making sense, but you make it sound as if only the United States has enemies. Thats just not the case. Do I think that nuclear weapons should be used by every country to protect themselves, no. Its just if the United States wants to enforce a zero-nuke policy maybe they should conisder it themselves.
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hwacker
CKA Uber
Posts: 10896
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:59 pm
GA-FuBaR GA-FuBaR: $1: Also, Iran being an enemy of the US, do you want your enemies to have nukes? So what justifies U.S. to have nuclear weapons to protect themselves from their enemies
Cause they can, and thank God for that.
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hwacker
CKA Uber
Posts: 10896
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:01 pm
hwacker hwacker: GA-FuBaR GA-FuBaR: $1: Also, Iran being an enemy of the US, do you want your enemies to have nukes? So what justifies U.S. to have nuclear weapons to protect themselves from their enemies Cause they can, and thank God for that.
And yeah go and straighten them out too, it's just a hop skip and a jump from Iraq, i say do it on the way home.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:04 pm
GA-FuBaR GA-FuBaR: What I dont understand is why can the U.S. have nukes to protect themselves, but nobody else can?
The Iranian's have taken the media to their nuclear reactors showing them that all they are doing is making electricity.
Nothing is going to happen military wise because the only one's who are really going to care is the United States. By the time everything is wrapped in Iraq and the U.S. Military has built up again and ready for action Hilary Clinton is going to be in charge and the world will be shroud in the light cloack of peace.
OK so in your world. a cop goes to search a suspected drug dealers house. The drug dealer Only shows him the bedrooms and not the closets. The cop leaves and proclaims the drug dealer is innocent. WOW you live in a pretty simple world!
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FuBaR
CKA Moderator
Posts: 347
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:06 pm
Are you serious?
Think of the implementations?
How long did they dance through the U.N. before getting into Iraq?
Their forces are over worked and stretched too thin. A large majority of the troops there are resverists who have fulfilled their commitment and are ready to go home? After seeing what went on in Iraq and what still is do you think they are going to draw a large amount of recruits? They are going to have implement the draft which will piss everyone off. That would surely cause Canada's population to go up a bit. Theres just to much stuff you "war mongerers" dont realize that goes into this stuff.
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