[Roc]

Robair Robair:

Roc Roc:

It was always about the oil. French oil.

An American invasion would mean the end to millions of $'s in oil vouchers for France. Not to mention the millions of $'s in arms France sells Iraq on an annual basis. Same for Russia and China.

Exactly. America sold all kinds of arms to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war.

Dubyas dady turned Americas number one allie in the mid-east to a fellow who no longer wanted to do business with America. That means, America could no longer get their hands on Iraqi oil. So yes, it WAS for oil. Now you're getting it.

Wait... are you under the impression those arms sales were illegal? Saddam was still allowed to aquire conventional weapons to protect himself from his neighbors. Ugly neighborhood down there y'know.

Wrong Robair.

Western Europe, Russia, and China were Iraq's biggest arms suppliers. The UN placed an arms embargo on Iraq which was being violated. So yes, arms sales to Iraq was illegal.

Now we have France involved in the Oil For Food scandal.

I think you need to do more research on the subject.

[Rev_Blair]

Iraq was allowed conventional weapons to protect itself with under the UN embargo, Roc. The oil for food scandal? While why didn't the US do something about it before? If the committee overseeing the program was crooked, then the US was crooked because they were on that comittee.

Here's an opinion piece where that is, for the umpteenth time, pointed out.

[Robair]

Roc Roc:

Western Europe, Russia, and China were Iraq's biggest arms suppliers.

Yes they were... pre 1990. How many countries have actually been caught (as opposed to US 'intelligence' guessing) dealing illegaly with Iraq? I havn't really kept up with it. I think Bosnia for sure made some shady deals... who else? I'm really not up to speed on it.

If you're going to answer, please do so with proof so I can see who's info your using.

All that aside, the sanctions were to stop Saddam from aquiring WMD, right? So... apparently... they were working. Not 100% obviously, but serving the intended purpose.

[Roc]

Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:

Iraq was allowed conventional weapons to protect itself with under the UN embargo, Roc.

Violations of the UN arms embargo were occurring.

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The oil for food scandal? While why didn't the US do something about it before? If the committee overseeing the program was crooked, then the US was crooked because they were on that comittee.

No, Kofi got himself in some hot water this time. It will be interesting to see when the congressional investigation is complete and the US severely restricts the amount of money the US taxpayer pays to the UN.

[Robair]

Roc Roc:

It will be interesting to see when the congressional investigation is complete and the US severely restricts the amount of money the US taxpayer pays to the UN.

It will be even more interesting watching Bush try to persuade the member nations to help him out with Iraq...

Kofi, so far, has the support of everyone but the US. That doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Who is on the wrong side of the fence here, the Bush administration or the rest of the freakin' world?? Wake up.

[human]

vic_ticious,






It is about OIL, but OIL for Jihad

According the verse that says...



11 Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.



That how Arafat's gangs----> assesses the Collaborators, or is the carburetors...

Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. ... He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them.--5:51



48: Victory


20 Allah promiseth you much booty that ye will capture, and hath given you this in advance, and hath withheld men's hands from you, that it may be a token for the believers, and that He may guide you on a right path.


Are we the BOOTY?



8: The Spoils of War

17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.


They are innocents even if they kill us...

[Roc]

Robair Robair:

Roc Roc:

It will be even more interesting watching Bush try to persuade the member nations to help him out with Iraq...

I believe the invitation is already there. But it would be better for the Iraqis if other people did help.

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Kofi, so far, has the support of everyone but the US. That doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Who is on the wrong side of the fence here, the Bush administration or the rest of the freakin' world?? Wake up.

Kofi isn't looking good by the accounts of the UN's own investigation.

[human]

Roc,

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It will be even more interesting watching Bush try to persuade the member nations to help him out with Iraq...

$1:

I believe the invitation is already there. But it would be better for the Iraqis if other people did help.

Actually, they are begging for it now, but as you said about the Iraqis, it depends if they [Jihadists and Supporters] are going to keep on looking at everyone as infidel?


So far, they did...

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Kofi, so far, has the support of everyone but the US. That doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Who is on the wrong side of the fence here, the Bush administration or the rest of the freakin' world?? Wake up.

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Kofi isn't looking good by the accounts of the UN's own investigation.

Don’t take my words, but they say he has the Black Gold Fever...[Oil Vouchez epidemic of some sort]

[Robair]

You guys need to learn how the quote function works, this is getting confusing.

Roc Roc:

But it would be better for the Iraqis if other people did help.

True, but saddly it is Americas mess, your president caused it. Nobody can hold America responsible for it, nobody is powerfull enough. But they can sit back and let Dubya deal with his own mess. Really sad, but it is what it is.

I blame Dubya.

Roc Roc:

Kofi isn't looking good by the accounts of the UN's own investigation.

Guilty until proven innocent?

I didn't realise the results of the inquiry were in yet.

If you're looking for corruption, you don't have to look any further than your current administration.

[human]

Robair Robair:

You guys need to learn how the quote function works, this is getting confusing.

Roc Roc:

But it would be better for the Iraqis if other people did help.

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True, but saddly it is Americas mess, your president caused it. Nobody can hold America responsible for it, nobody is powerfull enough. But they can sit back and let Dubya deal with his own mess. Really sad, but it is what it is.

I blame Dubya.

I blame your Ayatollah...

Roc Roc:

Kofi isn't looking good by the accounts of the UN's own investigation.

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Guilty until proven innocent?

I didn't realise the results of the inquiry were in yet.

If you're looking for corruption, you don't have to look any further than your current administration.

Actually, I heard Goof’s pillow can't handle the pressure anymore and soon it's going to explode...

But it has to do with Egyptian cotton this time...

[Roc]

Robair Robair:

True, but saddly it is Americas mess, your president caused it. Nobody can hold America responsible for it, nobody is powerfull enough. But they can sit back and let Dubya deal with his own mess. Really sad, but it is what it is.

What's America's mess? The international community has been invited to assist Iraq. So punish Iraq because of the US? Not very nice.

[Robair]

Roc Roc:

What's America's mess?

Iraq is Americas mess. Dissagree?

Roc Roc:

The international community has been invited to assist Iraq. So punish Iraq because of the US?

The international community told Dubya not to go there in the first place. The idea is to punish the US, you wanted unilateral action? You got it.

Roc Roc:

Not very nice.

Neither is carpet bombing a civilian population (ie shock and awe) this is why I said really sad, but it is what it is. America won't subject itself to international law so how else do you try and keep them in check?

[Roc]

Robair Robair:

Iraq is Americas mess. Dissagree

I believe the US has a responsibility in providing to the Iraqi people the ability to secure their country. There are other areas that the international community could help. I mean, the international community had no problem selling arms to Saddam, oh yeah, no problem there.

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The international community told Dubya not to go there in the first place. The idea is to punish the US, you wanted unilateral action? You got it.

You are not punishing the US by deliberately screwing Iraq. That's absurd.

Roc Roc:

Not very nice.

Neither is carpet bombing a civilian population (ie shock and awe) this is why I said really sad, but it is what it is. America won't subject itself to international law so how else do you try and keep them in check?[/quote]

Carpeting bombing civilian populations is patently false.

[Indelible]

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I believe the US has a responsibility in providing to the Iraqi people the ability to secure their country.

right...you go on believing that. the US appointed itself international police man (aka bully). this is the classic bush lie that i've mentioned before: america is the bringer of all that is good. america brought death and destruction and is forcing a false democracy on a poeple who don't want it. america has the responsibility to mind its own business

[human]

Indelible Indelible:

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I believe the US has a responsibility in providing to the Iraqi people the ability to secure their country.

right...you go on believing that. the US appointed itself international police man (aka bully). this is the classic bush lie that i've mentioned before: america is the bringer of all that is good. america brought death and destruction and is forcing a false democracy on a poeple who don't want it. america has the responsibility to mind its own business

Certainly as a Merciless Agent, you would prefer the collective of hatred that is blipping and slamming apocalyptically in the background of every country in the world to keep on reloading its Jihad matrix for ever up until your self-exploding robotic kingdom triumph...

But then after the reload of the election, the entire world will learn from the Oracle how they can help save mankind...

As for you, I say, you just sit and bitch until you die when Neo comes for you...