[RUEZ]

Gangrenous Gangrenous:

Canuckistan fits into all of this??????

I've never heard of that country, is it near Russia?

[Rev_Blair]

Hey Mr. Gangerine man, play a song for me.
In that jingle jangle morning...

I'll still think for myself.

[Gangrenous]

Jeez, my first day back on the scene and I've f'd up.

I hadn't noticed the other 4 pages that belonged to this thread when I posted a message , so I'm just going to bow out with my head as far up my ass as I can get it......

sorry guys.

[Rev_Blair]

's'all right.

[Moghrabi]

Are these stupid Bushites in denial of killing innocents or are they really as dumb as I think?

[Scape]

Neither. They are not dumb and they do know innocents die. They choose not to focus on it and chalk the whole thing up to the idea of you can't make a good omelet with out cracking a few eggs. Most are actually very decent, caring people but you won't see that when the backdrop is the blood of the lamb. They are covered in blood, they know it, but the idea that the greater good cleanses all lesser evils keeps them going. It's the sick psychopaths who revel in the bloodletting.

[mcpuck]

Scape,

To read your words (words I agree with) I feel sad. It is plainly evident that even those of us that scream in vain at the insanity of what is happening in Iraq, we still do not actually feel their pain. We still don't really comprehend what they are going through. Despite our enourmous effort to express empathy, the nerve endings are dead. We don't really feel what we attempt to touch. This actually provides me a distinct understanding of those who support this war with a passion and why the collateral damage is a vague afterthought.

[Robair]

Roc Roc:

Is this the same bombing campaign that is producing 24 terrorist for every 10 we kill? Just curious.

How many of the Iraqis killed during shock and awe do you suppose were terrorists? Keeping in mind, Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before Americas invasion and Iraq had no ties to the organization.

And how else do you explain the sharp rise in terrorist activity worldwide after the invasion of Iraq?

cnn

And check this Time article out:

time

Time Time:

A few thousand core operatives who have sworn loyalty to Bin Laden may today function as trainers-of-trainers, and capitalizing on Bin Laden's years of investment in training and funding for tens of thousands of the footsoldiers of localized Islamist movements throughout the Arab world and among Muslims from China to Chechnya, East Africa to Southeast Asia. And the U.S. invasion of Iraq has dramatically boosted the growth potential of this more diffuse jihadi movement over which al-Qaeda can still claim parentage. Analysts such as those at the prestigious Institute of International Strategic Studies in London (which hosted President Bush's speech on Wednesday) believe that al-Qaeda has successfully capitalized on the upsurge of worldwide Muslim outrage over the invasion to swell its ranks. And the escalating insurgency confronting U.S. troops in Iraq — punctuated by regular suicide terror attacks reminiscent of those committed by al Qaeda — may be amplifying Bin Laden's message that the path of jihad can defeat the U.S. and redeem Arab honor.

Now let me ask you something. If a foriegn country bombed your neighborhood flat, or your family was killed by a country 'liberating' you when you didn't ask to be liberated, what would your reaction be?

Would you shrug your shoulders and say its for the greater good or would you open a can of woopass and go terrorist on the motherf*ckers?

I don't know what I would do, but I sure can't rule out option 2.

[Roc]

Robair Robair:

How many of the Iraqis killed during shock and awe do you suppose were terrorists? Keeping in mind, Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before Americas invasion and Iraq had no ties to the organization.

How many of Saddam's blood thirsty minions do you think were killed? By "shock and awe," are you referring to this fabled "carpet bombing" leftists love to through out there? If so, where did this "carpet bombing" occur? Which cities were leveled? How do you know this happened? Is one leftist account of so-called "scientific research" on the number of deaths accurate? Or does it fit into the anti-American mold leftist have constructed?

Robair Robair:

And how else do you explain the sharp rise in terrorist activity worldwide after the invasion of Iraq?

How else do you explain free elections in Afghanistan? And soon in Iraq?

Robair Robair:

Now let me ask you something. If a foriegn country bombed your neighborhood flat, or your family was killed by a country 'liberating' you when you didn't ask to be liberated, what would your reaction be?

Oh you mean like 9/11?

[Robair]

Roc Roc:

How many of Saddam's blood thirsty minions do you think were killed? By "shock and awe," are you referring to this fabled "carpet bombing" leftists love to through out there? If so, where did this "carpet bombing" occur? Which cities were leveled? How do you know this happened? Is one leftist account of so-called "scientific research" on the number of deaths accurate? Or does it fit into the anti-American mold leftist have constructed?

This was covered on the previouse page. I posted plenty of links etc to support my argument. You have yet to provide anything to refute it. You're starting to sound a little like a ranting lunatic. Did you just call me a leftist?

Roc Roc:

Oh you mean like 9/11?

We are talking about Iraq here. Stay on topic. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

[Roc]

Robair Robair:

Roc Roc:

How many of Saddam's blood thirsty minions do you think were killed? By "shock and awe," are you referring to this fabled "carpet bombing" leftists love to through out there? If so, where did this "carpet bombing" occur? Which cities were leveled? How do you know this happened? Is one leftist account of so-called "scientific research" on the number of deaths accurate? Or does it fit into the anti-American mold leftist have constructed?

This was covered on the previouse page. I posted plenty of links etc to support my argument. You have yet to provide anything to refute it. You're starting to sound a little like a ranting lunatic. Did you just call me a leftist?

Roc Roc:

Oh you mean like 9/11?

We are talking about Iraq here. Stay on topic. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

You posted propaganda.

So where's your proof?

[Roc]

Robair Robair:

Roc Roc:

How many of Saddam's blood thirsty minions do you think were killed? By "shock and awe," are you referring to this fabled "carpet bombing" leftists love to through out there? If so, where did this "carpet bombing" occur? Which cities were leveled? How do you know this happened? Is one leftist account of so-called "scientific research" on the number of deaths accurate? Or does it fit into the anti-American mold leftist have constructed?

This was covered on the previouse page. I posted plenty of links etc to support my argument. You have yet to provide anything to refute it. You're starting to sound a little like a ranting lunatic. Did you just call me a leftist?

Roc Roc:

Oh you mean like 9/11?

We are talking about Iraq here. Stay on topic. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

You posted propaganda.

So where's your proof?

[Robair]

Roc Roc:

You posted propaganda.

So where's your proof?

What more do you want? I have a feeling that if you were to read the names of all the deceased you would still say it's a bunch of bullshit.

If what has been posted is not enough for you to start questioning the actions of your government then you have elected to turn your mind off.

Democracy works because you the voter can hold the politicians responsible for their actions. You, however, are more concerned with defending those actions no matter what for some reason.

What I posted was a survey, conducted in Iraq, about mortality rates before and after Americas invasion. Here is a short interview with the author of that survey Les Roberts.

You have yet to refute my propaganda. Where is your "proof"?

[Rev_Blair]

Roc has no idea what he's talking about, Robair. A scientific study is just propaganda to him. He likely feels the same way about evolution.

[Scape]

Bush's War on Science

Bush Distorts Science

Restoring Scientific Integrity

The Bush administration has a proven record of attacking the messenger and ignoring the message. Bush has put the ombudsman on the endangered species list for objectivity directly contradicts his perceived mandate. That is propaganda.