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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:42 pm
 


Unfortunatly it is another sad case of complacancy kills. It doesn't matter what the job is ..is you don't have your head up your going down. I wish instructors would get that melded into people. I hate reading this crap families get destroyed daily from it.Flag people get bored and poof they are run over. Faller leaves a little wood in a back cut or doesn't notice some tree huggers nail poof another statistic. Police officer feels it is just a simple stolen property case poof. Maybe good can come out of this and depot will be able to get it into their heads and save the next ones.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:49 pm
 


I know it's a case of sounding like a bad Hollywood movie, but my wife seems to think it's all a set up. 4 police down and the culprit takes himself out? We'll never know I guess.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:18 pm
 


I don't know call me old fashioned or something but.....

Should we really be debating about this in this thread? MAYBE we should start a new thread for the MJ debate.... MAYBE this one should just be used to express RESPECT and SORROW for these fallen Mounties.

Just MAYBE.......


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:19 pm
 


i created a new thread to continue a more in depth drug debate

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... ic&p=52536


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:29 pm
 


The two are inherently though. The cops were there because of the grow-op. The chop shop was just a bonus. Grow ops exist because of the huge amount of money that can be made. That money is available because of the prohibition against growing pot. That kind of money also attracts inherently violent people, it always has.

Now that we know a bit about the killer and the situation...why the hell were four rookies out there with only sidearms? The RCMP used more back-up to arrest Jaggi Singh, and he's known to be non-violent. This guy was known to be violent.

Somebody made a bad call.

Oh, and Dan? One of the rookies mothers was making basically political statements on TV today. Guess I can to then, eh?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:57 pm
 


I thought the RCMP were there for a simple case of stolen property? I could have sworn I heard that on the news. I have been known to be wrong befopre though.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:34 pm
 


I heard they were there because of the grow op and the stolen goods were just a bonus. We'll find out the reality when the paperwork is released.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:16 am
 


Rev Blair,

Normally I agree with you on a lot of issues, but on this one, you have gone far astray of anything sensible.

1. The RCMP was there to investigate stolen property. Once there, the marijuana was discovered. The Criminal Code dictates that if there is time to obtain a warrant, it shall be obtained. The RCMP had to wait while this was accomplished. They weren't there to investigate it, it was incidental.

2. All four weren't murdered at once. This animal ambushed the boys pretty good two by two. And if a fifth hadn't heard the shootings, who knows how many more would have walked into the slaughter.

3. The training cadets receive is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Some animal who knows his land got the drop on the boys who were wearing hats with a nice yellow ring and nice bright yellow stripes down the pant legs.

4. What difference would shotguns, long-rifles or even hauling their artillery out of storage have made? The equipment wasn't the problem. The animal had a high-powered rifle. One of those bullets will fly through kevlar like it was papier-mache. I do agree that whomever came up with the plan to have two officers guard what amounts to a compound against a known cop-hating violent animal whose whereabouts was unknown was a costly mistake to the tune of four boys who pledged their lives for this country.

5. These four boys died upholding justice for YOU. Keep that in mind.

6. Even though it is totally IRRELEVANT to the matter at hand; If you believe that decriminalizing marijuana or legalizing it is going to push the criminal element away, you're living in fantasy land. Do you honestly believe crooks are going to walk away from the millions of dollars available and start their new jobs as line cooks at Wendy's? What other kooky beliefs do you have? Like, the bulk of the marijuana produced in this country is also toked in this country? It goes south of the border. Legalizing it or decriminalizing it will only serve to increase production for US consumption. The US Senate won't let healthy beef cross. What do you think they'll do to transport trucks trying to cross?

7. I just don't like it all when people say that if a law isn't working, it should be scrapped. What a defeatist mentality. People still steal cars despite the law being on the books, let's scrap that one too. Shit, people kill people, let's just legalize murder and tax the hitmen. An effective strategy to employ is the one Nancy Reagan used in the 80's against pot. The zeitgeist in the US was that pot was bad and guess what? Consumption bottomed out. Now, pot has this harmless chic attached to it again.

Let's get back to strong preventative education for children. Jesus, look at the difference childhood education has made against smoking and drunk-driving. It can be done. Canada also needs to ramp up the CDSA to help hammer the living shit out of pot-farmers. Bigger jail sentences and fines into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It beats everyone else's surrender.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:31 am
 


blah, blah, blah..
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:59 am
 


$1:
1. The RCMP was there to investigate stolen property. Once there, the marijuana was discovered. The Criminal Code dictates that if there is time to obtain a warrant, it shall be obtained. The RCMP had to wait while this was accomplished. They weren't there to investigate it, it was incidental.


Now they were there because the guy wasn't making his truck payments and then they discovered the chop shop.

Today at the Liberal Convention there was a motion for a mandatory two years for anyone convicted of growing pot. That means if you have a couple of plants for personal consumption. This whole thing was politicized before it even hit the press.

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2. All four weren't murdered at once. This animal ambushed the boys pretty good two by two. And if a fifth hadn't heard the shootings, who knows how many more would have walked into the slaughter.

3. The training cadets receive is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Some animal who knows his land got the drop on the boys who were wearing hats with a nice yellow ring and nice bright yellow stripes down the pant legs.

4. What difference would shotguns, long-rifles or even hauling their artillery out of storage have made? The equipment wasn't the problem. The animal had a high-powered rifle. One of those bullets will fly through kevlar like it was papier-mache. I do agree that whomever came up with the plan to have two officers guard what amounts to a compound against a known cop-hating violent animal whose whereabouts was unknown was a costly mistake to the tune of four boys who pledged their lives for this country.


They knew how dangerous this guy was and they left a few inexperienced officers gurading the place. That's a big-time screw-up.

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6. Even though it is totally IRRELEVANT to the matter at hand; If you believe that decriminalizing marijuana or legalizing it is going to push the criminal element away, you're living in fantasy land. Do you honestly believe crooks are going to walk away from the millions of dollars available and start their new jobs as line cooks at Wendy's? What other kooky beliefs do you have? Like, the bulk of the marijuana produced in this country is also toked in this country? It goes south of the border. Legalizing it or decriminalizing it will only serve to increase production for US consumption. The US Senate won't let healthy beef cross. What do you think they'll do to transport trucks trying to cross?


First of all, if the US wants to search every vehicle that crosses the border, that's fine with me. There are certain challenges that come with dealing with backwards types, and that is definitely one of them. Of course we should be checking every vehicle coming north for illegal firearms...I'm pretty sure that the assault rifle (at least that's what the press is calling it) used to kill these cops didn't get here legally.

Second of all I really don't care what the crooks move on to. The prohibition of drugs has been an abysmal failure since its inception. We've spent billions of dollars, criminalized a whole lot of people for making some bad decisions and having what is really a medical problem, and reinforced a stigma that keeps those same people from contributing to society in any meaningful way.

Now, in our infinite wisdom, we're going to reduce the penalty for having a little bit of the most benign illegal drug while increasing the penalties for growing it. How bizarre is that? You can have it, as long as it appeared magically instead of being produced in the usual way.


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7. I just don't like it all when people say that if a law isn't working, it should be scrapped. What a defeatist mentality. People still steal cars despite the law being on the books, let's scrap that one too. Shit, people kill people, let's just legalize murder and tax the hitmen. An effective strategy to employ is the one Nancy Reagan used in the 80's against pot. The zeitgeist in the US was that pot was bad and guess what? Consumption bottomed out. Now, pot has this harmless chic attached to it again.


It isn't whether the law is working or not, it is whether the law should exist. Get rid of the law and you reduce the harm. Keep the law and the harm keeps on increasing. We've been watching this happen for ocer a century. It backwards. Laws are supposed to reduce, not increase, the harm done.

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Let's get back to strong preventative education for children. Jesus, look at the difference childhood education has made against smoking and drunk-driving. It can be done. Canada also needs to ramp up the CDSA to help hammer the living shit out of pot-farmers. Bigger jail sentences and fines into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Education is fine. It works. We also need to address the social problems that lead to drug abuse. We don't need to hammer the shit out of pot farmers though. We need to legitamize their businesses. No jail time, no fines. You want to grow pot? Good, here's your quota. Let the Wheat Board regulate it the way they do with wheat.

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It beats everyone else's surrender.


Getting rid of a stupid law isn't surrender, it's coming to our collective senses.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:21 am
 


What happened "illusionfive", did you fail the RCMP aptitude test? Why so much bitterness? Did they fail you because you tried to spell "Civillians" with an "S" on the spelling test?

Or, perhaps YOU are too fat to make it through the selection process, and your Freudian hostility is coming to the fore.

Your post is without a doubt the most idiotic thing I've ever seen and doesn't deserve a serious response. In fact, everyone who has been subjected to it is now actually dumber having read it.

Later dude.

p.s.- It's nothing close to a 75% acquittal rate of charged persons before the courts. Most Crown offices in Canada see something like an 80-90% CONVICTION rate overall.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:28 am
 


You know Illsuion five I was going to do a long clever post to refute your post but looking at it it's obviously a waste of time. You are obviuosly a dead above the neck idiot. heres a puzzle for you
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:28 am
 


illusionfive illusionfive:
There is no doubt in anyones mind that this property owner was serious about his right to bear arms and defend his property
I don't believe there is any "right to bear arms" in Canada. The rest of your post is just crap. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:50 am
 


I feel kind of bad for ignoring delusionalfive or whatever his name is now.

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I don't believe there is any "right to bear arms" in Canada.

I sure as hell aren't gonna start wearing dress shirts. :wink:

Sorry, couldn't help myself...insomnia makes me goofy after two or three days.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:58 am
 


Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
I sure as hell aren't gonna start wearing dress shirts. :wink:
:lol: That made me laugh. Thanks


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