[Zoraja]

OMG that is so loooooooong

[Elvis]

OMG that is so loooooooong but so very informative!

Thank's Avro and yes the con on this site and in society have a lot of thing in common with fascist. That why some called the present conservative mouvement in north america Liberal-fascism.

(They pose themself as libertarian to please the middle class but when in power they put policy forward to marginalise the weak in favor of the rulling class "big buisness")

[MissT]

Thanks Avro. I feel like I just took the red pill.

[GunPlumber]

O.K.,... so using Jaime S.'s deconstructionist tactics, I notice that the Chretien/Martin Liberal's embodied more than half of the conditions on Britt's list,... Trudeau often referred to Liberal rule as a benign dictatorship,... and the Liberal love of socialist policy,... leaves me to conclude that,... according to this author's criteria,...

Liberals are wannabe Nazi's.

[Blue_Nose]

Oh no...

Lawrence Britt....


flashbacks...


So much... confusion... fighting... I thought it was over!

Noooooo!!!!!!

[Bodah]

Elvis Elvis:

OMG that is so loooooooong but so very informative!

Thank's Avro and yes the con on this site and in society have a lot of thing in common with fascist. That why some called the present conservative mouvement in north america Liberal-fascism.

(They pose themself as libertarian to please the middle class but when in power they put policy forward to marginalise the weak in favor of the rulling class "big buisness")

you cant be serious ?

Comparin Conservatives to this guy is a big stretch mon ami




What would we call a government that restricts a certain language then, and fines people, seizes there property if they dont follow these laws ?

[Mustang1]

Actually, let’s see our resident “Father of Fascism” address this, as so far, he’s done nothing but spew empty rhetoric. He won’t, but he’ll appear dodgy in the process.

[GunPlumber]

Avro Avro:

GunPlumber GunPlumber:

O.K.,... so using Jaime S.'s deconstructionist tactics, I notice that the Chretien/Martin Liberal's embodied more than half of the conditions on Britt's list,... Trudeau often referred to Liberal rule as a benign dictatorship,... and the Liberal love of socialist policy,... leaves me to conclude that,... according to this author's criteria,...

Liberals are wannabe Nazi's.

I linked one if you noticed, what are the others?

Well actually, I noticed you caught two of them (13 & 14),

so to add to the list (and hopefully you will notice this is done (mostly) with tongue firmly in cheek,...)

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Lots of Liberal programs trying to create (failingly) a national identity. Trying to force Federalism down Quebers throats thru various programs (did you notice how the Cons picked-up seats in PQ by ducking the Federalist issue?). And let's not forget our former "Heritage Minister" handing out thousands of flags (which ironically, a few Cons fashioned into clothing).

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Lib's introduced laws suspending due process for "Terrorist" suspects (Con's likely would've too if they'd been in power), then (with American assistance) shipped a 'suspect' off to Syria for interrogation. And let's not forget M. Ignatief's essay advocating the use of torture (this guy is at least as scary as Dick Cheney).

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Lib's are masters at this one. How many elections were won by Lib's talking about the Con's so called "secret agenda"? C'mon Ontario, if it's so secret how would the Lib's know about it and how come they never told you what it is? Ohh, and tell me again why we engaged again in this Afghanistan adventure?

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated.

Ever notice how the Liberals always have less female (and minority) candidates and caucus members than the Con's or Dippers, while they (the Lib's) have a de facto policy of painting white males as the root of all evil?

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Shawinagate I & II, and the HRDC Boondoggle were non-issues for the media. The sponsorship scandal was a non-issue until Martin came to power (and the media really didn't like him much) and they've taken a complete pass on Judge Gomery's close ties to P. Martin. Yet they endlessly repeated the blather about the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives being a bunch of rednecks with a secret agenda (while ignoring the Lib's own, Hedy Fry).The Lib's definitely have more talent at media manipulation.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Kind of applys equally to the Lib's and the Con's. Or for that matter, just about every Western government. And, of course, we all know that all business (and media) is controlled by Jews (I threw that in to bait SheepDip ).

10. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed -

Kind of applies to Chretien's battles with CPSA and CUPE, but he could still have taken lessons from King Ralph.

So 9 of 14 (counting your two points) ain't great, but it's better than half.

Like I said "WANNABE Nazi's" (when they don't wanna be communists )

[Monorprise]

Avro Avro:

By Laura Dawn Lewis
...
Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems;

Somehow, I don’t see any real correlation between reactionary which is general only not foreseeing everything normal, and "fascism" which is general more methodical, with intent.

Avro Avro:

piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.

That is true but it has absolute nothing to do with someone who is "Reactionary" as in order to do that you actually have to have a plain, and a Consistent message.
You can’t get that out of "Reactionary" political views, very easily it general requires a great deal of foresight and planning.
So if a “fascist state” is to do this, then it could never be a “Reactionary” one, indeed, it would have to be a very well though out and foresight based on as to make it possible for it to implement this, by keeping a consistent and ‘uniform’ message.

Avro Avro:

Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.

Ya there is a problem with this too, while Canada doesn’t want to admit it to it self for some pride reason, the USA Does have the tendency of doing this and not being able to Not do that. Largely as a result of economic forces, and the need to protect and control its own solvency.
so while a fascist state could in theory do this economically and to some varying existent politically via the inherent economically, it does not necessary man that state means to or can possible help it.

In the case of the US extending its solver over Canada, that is not something we can help, nor is it of course an official policy or a legal state. It’s simply a practical reality that Canada sucks and is good for nothing, and is depended upon the US economy, to fuel it economically, while it in turn helps sells the material raw few it.

[Tman1]

Monorprise Monorprise:

In the case of the US extending its solver over Canada, that is not something we can help, nor is it of course an official policy or a legal state. It’s simply a practical reality that Canada sucks and is good for nothing, and is depended upon the US economy, to fuel it economically, while it in turn helps sells the material raw few it.

Good thing this is just the opinion of an uninformed, intellectually shallow individual otherwise we'd be in real trouble.

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

Monorprise Monorprise:

In the case of the US extending its solver over Canada, that is not something we can help, nor is it of course an official policy or a legal state. It’s simply a practical reality that Canada sucks and is good for nothing, and is depended upon the US economy, to fuel it economically, while it in turn helps sells the material raw few it.

Good thing this is just the opinion of an uninformed, intellectually shallow individual otherwise we'd be in real trouble.

Perhaps he and saint fascist will team up?