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Your Pick for Liberal Leader (from top 4)
Poll ended at Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:03 pm
Michael Ignatieff  21%  [ 9 ]
Bob Rae  26%  [ 11 ]
Gerard Kennedy  37%  [ 16 ]
Stephane Dion  16%  [ 7 ]
Total votes : 43

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:46 pm
 


Proculation Proculation:
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wow that was exciting, Its pretty clear that Dion will win now, most of the MP's from Rae's camp like Goodale have moved over to support Dion.

Any of the candidates had/have the potential to take down the Tories and they will.

Not with Dion ! You don't know how badly Dion is seen in Quebec. Liberals just lost Quebec and they can't win without Quebec. Between a hard and centralizing federalist and Harper who has proved to be more open to the Quebec, the choice is clear.


I agree. Should Dion go on to win the leadership of the Liberal party (as it looks like he will), I think that the Liberals are in hard shape in Quebec, and if the Liberals don't make gains in Quebec in the next federal election they can't win it.

Dion is a hard centralist, while Harper is a soft federalist. This assures that most of the soft federalist support while go to the Conservatives in the next election.


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Dione, I predict, will win......what's the prize?

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Triple_R Triple_R:
Dion is a hard centralist, while Harper is a soft federalist. This assures that most of the soft federalist support while go to the Conservatives in the next election.


That's true but the Bloc and the NDP are still on the board. No matter what happens a majority is still going to be an uphill slog and the liberals are not going to disappear off the map. It will be interesting to see who gains more momentum toward the next election that sounds at this point like it will happen this spring.


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Triple_R Triple_R:
Dion is a hard centralist, while Harper is a soft federalist. This assures that most of the soft federalist support while go to the Conservatives in the next election.


That's true but the Bloc and the NDP are still on the board. No matter what happens a majority is still going to be an uphill slog and the liberals are not going to disappear off the map. It will be interesting to see who gains more momentum toward the next election that sounds at this point like it will happen this spring.


Well, I do think that an Ignatieff win would have been a gift to Layton, only because Ignatieff's support of the invasion of Iraq would have caused more Liberal/NDP voters to vote NDP the next time around.

I think that Ignatieff would have bled off of the Conservatives, and that Layton would have bled off of the Liberals, causing a tight three-way race where the Liberals could have come up the middle to win.

Dion is a Quebecois who is unpopular in Quebec - that's a raisky gamble at almost any time.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:34 pm
 


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I disagree, the Tories only won support in Quebec out of anger at the liberals over adscam. I think next election, Dion & the Liberals will be the clear federalist vote in quebec and could even garner more support for his enviromental platform, which he is respected for in Quebec and a stark contrast from Harper.

Well, it's your opinion.
It's clear you are 3500 km away from here :wink:


Meh... only ignorants hate Dion for a reason they can't even explain.

The only reason why Dion is not liked in Quebec is because of Jean-René Dufort, that never stops to bash him and give him a bad rep on his tv show for years.


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Sephariel Sephariel:
Proculation Proculation:
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I disagree, the Tories only won support in Quebec out of anger at the liberals over adscam. I think next election, Dion & the Liberals will be the clear federalist vote in quebec and could even garner more support for his enviromental platform, which he is respected for in Quebec and a stark contrast from Harper.

Well, it's your opinion.
It's clear you are 3500 km away from here :wink:


Meh... only ignorants hate Dion for a reason they can't even explain.

The only reason why Dion is not liked in Quebec is because of Jean-René Dufort, that never stops to bash him and give him a bad rep on his tv show for years.


Pauvre petit toi voici ce que pense Thomas Mulcair de Stéphane Dion

Dion vs Mulcair
"Le mot «méprisant» ne suffit pas pour décrire ce que j'ai rencontré"


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Je tiens sincèrement à remercier mon collègue du Lac-Saint-Jean pour sa question. J'aimerais pouvoir lui dire autre chose que ce que je m'apprête à lui dire, mais ça ne va pas très bien avec M. Dion, dans cette négociation-là, et le mot «méprisant» ne suffit pas pour décrire ce que j'ai rencontré jusqu'à date, et ça me désole. (ns)

Mais, contrairement au député de Lac-Saint-Jean, je garde espoir que l'ensemble du gouvernement du Canada n'est pas pareil que M. Dion et qu'on va réussir ensemble à négocier quelque chose qui respecte le fait que les Québécois en moyenne produisent la moitié des gaz à effet de serre que le reste des Canadiens, que nous avons ensemble déjà consenti des efforts énormes.

Le 17 mai, le gouvernement fédéral annonçait 538 millions de dollars pour le changement climatique pour l'Ontario. Moi, je m'en vais chercher notre juste part. Mais, contrairement au député de Lac-Saint-Jean, qui a déjà décidé que ça valait la peine de quitter le Canada, moi, je sais que, malgré un contexte particulier puis un individu qui constitue un blocus total, que, moi, je vais réussir là où, eux, ils n'auraient jamais pu le faire. (...)

Mais je dis tout simplement à mon collègue du Lac-Saint-Jean que j'essaie toujours en politique de comprendre qu'est-ce qui anime l'autre côté; pas toujours facile. Mais, depuis 16 mois que je suis face à Stéphane Dion, je comprends un peu mieux.


Maintenant imagine Avoir Stéphane Dion comme premier ministre :twisted: C'est Jean Charest et Benoit Pelletier qui vont demander un autre référendum!

En passant Dion n'est pas un grand intellectuel. C'est arguments sont bourrés de sophismes grossier qui peuvent être réfutés par un jeune qui à suivit sont cours de philo 1 au CÉGEP. En gros l'élection de Stéphane Dion est une véritable bénédiction pour le Québec.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:25 pm
 


Sephariel Sephariel:
Proculation Proculation:
Canadaka Canadaka:
I disagree, the Tories only won support in Quebec out of anger at the liberals over adscam. I think next election, Dion & the Liberals will be the clear federalist vote in quebec and could even garner more support for his enviromental platform, which he is respected for in Quebec and a stark contrast from Harper.

Well, it's your opinion.
It's clear you are 3500 km away from here :wink:


Meh... only ignorants hate Dion for a reason they can't even explain.

The only reason why Dion is not liked in Quebec is because of Jean-René Dufort, that never stops to bash him and give him a bad rep on his tv show for years.

Then, most Quebecers are ignorants.
Personnally, I have nothing against him. I understand that most of the "hate" Quebecers have is due to the medias.
He may lack some charisma but he has great qualifications and competences. The debates will be interesting, specially with Duceppe.


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Proculation wrote
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Then, most Quebecers are ignorants

Yeah right that's a really deep analisys there buddy!

À tu parlé à des libéraux provinciaux depuis qu'il a été élu?


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Elvis Elvis:
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Then, most Quebecers are ignorants

Yeah right that's a really deep analisys there buddy!

À tu parlé à des libéraux provinciaux depuis qu'il a été élu?


I think you need to re-read again the quote of Saphariel.


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Ok Procu
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The only reason why Dion is not liked in Quebec is because of Jean-René Dufort, that never stops to bash him and give him a bad rep on his tv show for years

That is his opinion. now reality

Quote from Michel Fortier
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Le ministre Fortier a souligné que même le premier ministre du Québec Jean Charest, «un fédéraliste», a eu maille à partir avec M. Dion, tant il tient la ligne dure sur la question nationale. M. Dion est le père de la Loi sur la clarté référendaire.


Even Benoit Pelletier was called a Péquiste because he was doing his job! Benoit Pelletier

Mulcair
"Le mot «méprisant» ne suffit pas pour décrire ce que j'ai rencontré"
"Mais, depuis 16 mois que je suis face à Stéphane Dion, je comprends un peu mieux. "

You can blame Infoman all you want but for crhist sake Dion is hated from all side. Imagine the relation between the Provincial Government and Ottawa with Stéphane Dion!!! Even Jean Charest or Mario Dumont will ask for another referendum!


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Elvis,

You don't even like the Liberals, so why should you care?

You know, there is more in life than Gilles Duceppe :D


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Elvis,

You don't even like the Liberals, so why should you care?

Well your right. But it's still amaze me to see how disconnected from reality some of the Québec liberal are.
Plusieurs libéraux du Québec sous le choc
Enjoy :lol:


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Elvis,

You don't even like the Liberals, so why should you care?

Well your right. But it's still amaze me to see how disconnected from reality some of the Québec liberal are.
Plusieurs libéraux du Québec sous le choc
Enjoy :lol:

That's why we need to vote conservative ! :)


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En tout cas Procu la prochaine campagne va être intéressante et divertissante. Je suis près à faire un pari. Ils y aura plus de personne qui croit que Elvis est vivant(8%) au Québec francophone, qu'ils va y avoir de gens qui vont avoir voter libéral!


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Elvis Elvis:
En tout cas Procu la prochaine campagne va être intéressante et divertissante. Je suis près à faire un pari. Ils y aura plus de personne qui croit que Elvis est vivant(8%) au Québec francophone, qu'ils va y avoir de gens qui vont avoir voter libéral!

Franchement, tu y vas fort. Le scandale des commandites est fini ! Beaucoup ont voté pour un autre parti (ou n'ont pas voté) seulement pour punir les libéraux. Ils vont revenir, du moins en partie.


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