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EVs will 'dominate' their predecessors? Yeah, right. How can 36,000 per unit be a
'tipping point' for mainstream consumers, when that price is double what a lot of
cars cost right now?

My Jetta cost me 18,000 (financed, obviously), gets me nearly 1000km on a full tank
of fuel, and can be refueled in about five minutes at the pumps. EVs have terrible
range, take a long ass time to be recharged, and their range is limited.

Also, fuel is easy (for the most part) to refine, and is not a long drawn-out process
like what's involved to manufacture a battery for an EV. Add to the fact that none
of the EVs out there are visually appealing to me, and voila.

It's one thing to be looking to the future, but need I remind everyone that internal
combustion engines are a PROVEN technology. Like the old adage goes, "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it."

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CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
It's one thing to be looking to the future, but need I remind everyone that internal
combustion engines are a PROVEN technology. Like the old adage goes, "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it."

-J.


Before the internal combustion engine, most 'horseless carriages' were electric.

Technology changes. And right now, there is a lot of focus on renewable energy, and battery technology. Counting on it to fail is a bad bet. So is assuming it will fail, because other technology exists.


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CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
EVs will 'dominate' their predecessors? Yeah, right. How can 36,000 per unit be a
'tipping point' for mainstream consumers, when that price is double what a lot of
cars cost right now?

My Jetta cost me 18,000 (financed, obviously), gets me nearly 1000km on a full tank
of fuel, and can be refueled in about five minutes at the pumps. EVs have terrible
range, take a long ass time to be recharged, and their range is limited.

Also, fuel is easy (for the most part) to refine, and is not a long drawn-out process
like what's involved to manufacture a battery for an EV. Add to the fact that none
of the EVs out there are visually appealing to me, and voila.

It's one thing to be looking to the future, but need I remind everyone that internal
combustion engines are a PROVEN technology. Like the old adage goes, "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it."

-J.

Progress requires you to break things in order for you to transcend them.

EV's will come down in price over time. More and more jurisdictions are looking to either tax or limit the amount of Internal Combustion Engines on the road.

Big players like GM has announced they will only be producing EV's in the next 10 years. Internal Combustion will eventually fall to the wayside like the horse-drawn carriage.

It's a war of attrition and unfortunately your Jetta is on the wrong side.


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People making 10 year old arguments that haven't looked out their window in a decade are the real problem.
Mentioning $18K for a price kind of points that out. Mine was over $30K six years ago for a base model. The 2005 Saturn was $38K bought brand new. CASH prices, no finance BS included.
And Chevron's yet to install a gas pump in my own carport.


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I'm sure that people had the same arguments when the first cars came out...

...horses and buggies are a proven technologies
...cars cost too much
...they only have 200km autonomy before I have to gas up
...too many things can go wrong on a car
...they make too much noise


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llama66 llama66:
More and more jurisdictions are looking to either tax or limit the amount of Internal Combustion Engines on the road.


That would be a huge mistake, especially in poorer countries that can't keep up with the costs of new technology, and use proven methods like internal combustion engines that both meet their needs, and cost a lot less.

llama66 llama66:
Big players like GM has announced they will only be producing EV's in the next 10 years.


They want to commit corporate suicide, let them. GM can't seem to get anything right normally, what with all the recalls and quality issues, and you think they'll suddenly plunge into EVs and not screw them up somehow? Come on.

llama66 llama66:
Internal Combustion will eventually fall to the wayside like the horse-drawn carriage.


Go tell that to the Amish. Let me know how it works out for you.

llama66 llama66:
It's a war of attrition and unfortunately your Jetta is on the wrong side.

Not at all. My Jetta is still far superior to any EV, and will be for some time. You can rant and rave all you want about EVs, but anyone who thinks they will suddenly take over at a certain period of time has delusions of grandeur.

Will they be a major player in the world? Someday. But not today, nor tomorrow.

-J.


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CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
Will they be a major player in the world? Someday. But not today, nor tomorrow.

-J.


Yes, right now. Today.

Why Tesla = GM + Honda + Ford + Fiat Chrysler + Daimler

Name one car company who's output is increasing. There is only one, Tesla. And they barely have any of the global market share, yet are worth more in market capitalization than the top 5 car companies.

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llama66 llama66:
Progress requires you to break things in order for you to transcend them.

Nonsense. If something works we should never try to improve it. Doesn't matter if it's going to do harm to the planet/us. That's why we still use leaded gasoline.


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Eggh eghhh! Can't even find carbon paper anymore. And my slide rule....

*there's a gross error in the video. It's a Chevy Bolt not a Volt. The Volt was a hybrid, not an EV.


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Coal-Rollers No More: most Albertans plan to switch to EVs, says report
https://www.driving.ca/auto-news/news/c ... g-electric


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herbie herbie:
Coal-Rollers No More: most Albertans plan to switch to EVs, says report
https://www.driving.ca/auto-news/news/c ... g-electric


Agreed, EV ownership in Alberta has increased by 1000% in the last five years (from 221 to almost 2300), and hybrids ownership has increased by 50% in the same time frame. ICE vehicles have been flat for growth in that same time period, while diesel vehicles have fallen by almost 5%.

And that growth has been without the incentive program many other provinces offer for EV purchases.

My next vehicle won't be an EV, but my next/next vehicle will be. I expect by 2025 to own an EV for trips to the grocery store and around town, while we'll have a vehicle with 3rd row seating for weekend trips and hauling stuff.


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It's going to be more than ironic that the free market of individual choice will force the changes that this province, and conservatism in general, refuses to implement so they can keep adhering to a negative, nihilistic, suicidal, and pointlessly belligerent ideology. It might not happen until I'm gone from this world but even the future versions of Kenney and the UCP won't be able to dodge basic reality anymore when 70 to 80% of Albertans thirty years from now are driving in EV's and the only remaining fuel-burning vehicles in use are big rigs and construction equipment. Hell, maybe by 2099 this province will finally be ready to entire the 21st century. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:35 am
 


Looked at the Hyundai EV on Saturday, it has shitloads of range. Enough to fulfill 95% of our needs.
Also like the Mitusbishi Outlander PHEV. Electric only for all our daily driving, still can drive long range for holidays...


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:24 am
 


$1:
Go tell that to the Amish. Let me know how it works out for you.

Mennonites, as they are called in Southern Ontario; are split into two groups... Old Order, which use the Horse drawn buggies, and New Order, who, like their Hutterite cousin's use Vehicles.

The Old Order's use of 1810's buggie of the year is more to do with Religion and less to do with your stubborn belief that Oil and Gas is Supreme.


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