[Gunnair]

Toastmaker Toastmaker:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Toastmaker Toastmaker:

The idea has merit. There are cadres of well trained armed security people that would be a lot less expensive from an employment cost standpoint than police officers. This is not a job for regular police anyway, as most departments are stretched thin manpower-wise as it is.

Best scenario is plain-clothes security with immediate communications to the main office personnel and plenty of signage that the facility is security protected. Deterence - prevention - reaction. . . in that order would help secure school sites.

As said before.

Police state.

This preventive idea has no relation to or bearing on any form of "police state" - but you probably knew that. Why you posted it is your problem.

You don't think so? Well, that's sometimes how police states are formed...on the willing backs of those who are so terrified of life that they don't think armed guards everywhere are a police state.

For such a powerful country, the US has grown pretty timid.

[andyt]

Paying for it seems to be the easy part. Already proposed here - tax on ammo and guns. Seems like a win win situation to me - make guns more expensive and guard the kids. Too bad the kids will all feel like this, tho:

$1:

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; that one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

[Gunnair]

Taxes are big government interventions here. Interesting what principles held so dear the gun proponents seem to be willing to part with though.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Taxes are big government interventions here. Interesting what principles held so dear the gun proponents seem to be willing to part with though.

It would cost very little to allow qualifying and willing teachers to carry guns if they want to. That essetially outlines the program that exists in Texas.

[andyt]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Taxes are big government interventions here. Interesting what principles held so dear the gun proponents seem to be willing to part with though.

It's not the gun proponents that are suggesting this. As Thanos, in his inimitable style has said, they probably want to cut school lunches and what have you to pay for this. But I love the irony that the NRA and the live free or die types are proposing a big govt fix here. I still say outfitting little Johnny in cute little full body armor in a nice happy color and training him to shoot some "micro Ruger" is the way to go. A suicidal lunatic will think twice before trying to take on a class of fully armed 6 year-olds. I know I would. Oh, wait...

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Taxes are big government interventions here. Interesting what principles held so dear the gun proponents seem to be willing to part with though.

It would cost very little to allow qualifying and willing teachers to carry guns if they want to. That essetially outlines the program that exists in Texas.

Not good enough. Would you send your kid to a class that didn't have an armed teacher? Time to make marksmanship a necessary course in teacher college. Maybe get rid of that silly evolution class to make room for it. You want to teach in this school, Missy, you'd better be able to hit that target at 300 yds and get a high course moving thru a course with pop up targets. Just don't hit too many cardboard kids when you do - don't want to worry the parents.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Taxes are big government interventions here. Interesting what principles held so dear the gun proponents seem to be willing to part with though.

It would cost very little to allow qualifying and willing teachers to carry guns if they want to. That essetially outlines the program that exists in Texas.

Not what the NRA suggested though. Apples and oranges, Bart...

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You can create one argument using a strict gun law country like Japan, but show similar lack of gun violence by using a slack gun law country like Israel or Switzerland.

I think rate of increase or decline in gun crime in a particular country after the enactment of gun laws might be a better indicator.

Just a few points here about Isreal vs other countries. Isreal has an armed population because they live,constantly, in a state of war. Does not matter which side you support, it's still a state of war. Regarding Switzerland and the constant comparison to the U.S., it appears that the Swiss are armed to defend themselves against foreign invasion and it looks like Americans are armed to defend themselves against each other. One situation is good, another not so much.

Regarding the U.K. No need to discuss the ups and downs of it's murder rate after the shootings in Scotland. Their levels are still much lower and unless they approach American levels, there is no comparison.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not what the NRA suggested though. Apples and oranges, Bart...

True. The NRA proposal is a rehash of President Bill Clinton's COPS in School program in which then-President Clinton proposed putting armed police in the public schools.

Clinton, of course, being a loony Tea Party member and infamous arch-conservative.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not what the NRA suggested though. Apples and oranges, Bart...

True. The NRA proposal is a rehash of President Bill Clinton's COPS in School program in which then-President Clinton proposed putting armed police in the public schools.

Clinton, of course, being a loony Tea Party member and infamous arch-conservative.

Well at east you admit your submission was far off. That's a start.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not what the NRA suggested though. Apples and oranges, Bart...

True. The NRA proposal is a rehash of President Bill Clinton's COPS in School program in which then-President Clinton proposed putting armed police in the public schools.

Clinton, of course, being a loony Tea Party member and infamous arch-conservative.

Well at east you admit your submission was far off. That's a start.

My submission aligns with the law in Texas which has quietly been in place
for several years now.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

True. The NRA proposal is a rehash of President Bill Clinton's COPS in School program in which then-President Clinton proposed putting armed police in the public schools.

Clinton, of course, being a loony Tea Party member and infamous arch-conservative.

Well at east you admit your submission was far off. That's a start.

My submission aligns with the law in Texas which has quietly been in place
for several years now.

...but had nothing to do with what the NRA suggested.

Next.

[andyt]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Just a few points here about Isreal vs other countries. Isreal has an armed population because they live,constantly, in a state of war. Does not matter which side you support, it's still a state of war. Regarding Switzerland and the constant comparison to the U.S., it appears that the Swiss are armed to defend themselves against foreign invasion and it looks like Americans are armed to defend themselves against each other. One situation is good, another not so much.

Regarding the U.K. No need to discuss the ups and downs of it's murder rate after the shootings in Scotland. Their levels are still much lower and unless they approach American levels, there is no comparison.

Switzerland has tightened up its gun laws considerably. And, they are an example of what the phrase "well regulated militia" really means. And also, obviously, they are a state of adults, who don't try to kill each other at every opportunity. The can have lax gun laws because they are responsible people. They don't create the sort of social conditions that give rise to all this violence.

[Robair]

lelouchvi lelouchvi:

The school Obama's daughters attend has 11 armed security guards.

'nuff said.

?

They are offspring of the president of the United States. A bad guy gets ahold of one of them, he'll be trying to hold your government for ransom.

I am for police protection in US schools.

But that argument sucks.

[andyt]

Robair Robair:

lelouchvi lelouchvi:

The school Obama's daughters attend has 11 armed security guards.

'nuff said.

?

They are offspring of the president of the United States. A bad guy gets ahold of one of them, he'll be trying to hold your government for ransom.

I am for police protection in US schools.

But that argument sucks.

If your other argument is that no gun ever walked into a school to kill people by itself, then that argument is positively brilliant by comparison.