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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:33 am
 


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This is where the concept of scaling back police duties is going overboard. DUI is a dangerous crime that kills people. It's not like taking the cops off of jaywalking busts.


Pulling the DUI over, yes it's dangerous and should be done by a cop.

But a guy parked in a lot who looks drunk? No. You could just have a bylaw guy and a tow truck. Administer the breath test, and call a cop to arrest him if it's warranted. But two cars, with guns and tasers? Overreaction.

Read the essay Boots posted. That ex-bastard makes it pretty clear that what he did day to day did not require an armed officer to respond.


I did. I wasn't surprised. I just don't see that rushing willy-nilly into a mass "decriminalization" of certain activities is that much of a solution.


No one is calling for that. Laws won't change, only who responds to 911 calls.

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The Canadian Police Performance Metrics Framework: Standardized indicators for police services in Canada

If Police in Saskatchewan are being called out for non-criminal vehicle traffic (first indicator) why are we wasting their time? Can that be handled by another department? What about "Other matters"? Can a police liaison officer not be better?

If statistics show that police are attending X% of mental health calls (for which they are not trained) and Y% of domestic disputes (for which they are not trained); . . .then those percentages of funding should be moved away from the police to actual people trained in those fields, and they should be dispatched instead of police. You know, the things like mental health and homelessness that we've been defunding in the name of austerity for decades.

That's all 'defunding' means.

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Take traffic law enforcement as one of them. What happens if you remove the cops from the roads? Libertarians and anarchists alike believe that freedom, lovely freedom! spontaneously erupts and everyone is happy. The problem with both libertarians and anarchists is their deluded view that there are only good people in the world, and there is not a negative to be spotted from eliminating the state from certain fields and sectors. They are, of course, completely wrong because in that 100% of humanity who are given unchecked freedom there's at least 30% of the mob who are selfish bastards or outright sociopaths who are going to take that freedom and use it to cause utter mayhem and get other people hurt and killed.
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We already have allowed Sheriffs in Alberta to move away from only being part of the court system, and transitioned them to handle non-criminal activities like traffic and highway patrol. Have the roads erupted in anarchy like you predict?

Will there be chaos if a bylaw officer attends the scene of a traffic accident to take people's names and birth dates and a couple pictures instead of a city cop?

Let's use resources properly, and at the same time turn the police back into protectors of society, not a military force to act against it.

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Reform the police. Demilitarize them as well, both in terms of some of the equipment they have and their "everyone not in blue is our enemy" attitude. Hire legions of social workers and negotiators to show up with the cops at tense situations. Decriminalize ALL drugs so that unless they've committed a robbery or violence the drug user never gets sent to prison. And a bunch of other things too just to ratchet down the tension by a few dozen degrees. But take the police out of the field altogether? Never. It would be chaos and anyone who knows their history absolutely knows that from chaos only the worst things happen and only the very worst people emerge triumphant.


Again, no one is saying take the police out of the picture. Just take the job they do, and divide it among the properly trained professionals. Ones who can de-escalate a wellness check so that the person in mental distress doesn't get 8 rounds to the chest, or jump off a balcony.


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Read this yesterday. Kind of looks like the perp is some sort of a serial killer. :|


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Read this yesterday. Kind of looks like the perp is some sort of a serial killer. :|


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The bodies of Oluwatoyin Salau, and Victoria Sims, 75, were discovered in Tallahassee, Fla. on Saturday night, police said in a news release sent Monday.


That kind of disturbed me.


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Dr. Caleb,

Rayshard Brooks was indeed passed out at the wheel of an operating motor vehicle in the middle of the drive-thru lane....meaning he was drunk driving.

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-cu ... rd-brooks/

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According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI), who is investigating the case, the Atlanta Police Department arrived at the Wendy’s at 125 University Avenue to respond to a complaint of a man asleep in his vehicle in the drive-thru, blocking it and causing customers to have to drive around the vehicle to pick up their orders.


At this point we have established probable cause for arresting him.

The shooting of a man because he had a taser that's supposedly not lethal? Yeah, that still smells.


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Dr. Caleb,

Rayshard Brooks was indeed passed out at the wheel of an operating motor vehicle in the middle of the drive-thru lane....meaning he was drunk driving.

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-cu ... rd-brooks/

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According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI), who is investigating the case, the Atlanta Police Department arrived at the Wendy’s at 125 University Avenue to respond to a complaint of a man asleep in his vehicle in the drive-thru, blocking it and causing customers to have to drive around the vehicle to pick up their orders.


At this point we have established probable cause for arresting him.

The shooting of a man because he had a taser that's supposedly not lethal? Yeah, that still smells.


Thanks for that. Boots also provided a link to body cam footage.

As before, I have no problem with him being arrested, although I think other means could have been employed. Charging the guy and letting him walk to his sisters' would have been one.

He also should not have fought the arrest. That said, shooting him in the back for being drunk is not a valid use of force.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Dr. Caleb,

Rayshard Brooks was indeed passed out at the wheel of an operating motor vehicle in the middle of the drive-thru lane....meaning he was drunk driving.

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-cu ... rd-brooks/

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According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI), who is investigating the case, the Atlanta Police Department arrived at the Wendy’s at 125 University Avenue to respond to a complaint of a man asleep in his vehicle in the drive-thru, blocking it and causing customers to have to drive around the vehicle to pick up their orders.


At this point we have established probable cause for arresting him.

The shooting of a man because he had a taser that's supposedly not lethal? Yeah, that still smells.


Thanks for that. Boots also provided a link to body cam footage.

As before, I have no problem with him being arrested, although I think other means could have been employed. Charging the guy and letting him walk to his sisters' would have been one.

He also should not have fought the arrest. That said, shooting him in the back for being drunk is not a valid use of force.


Agreed.

This is one way the use of administrative penalties (like we have here in Alberta, BC and a couple other provinces) is a much better way to deal with drunk driving.

He would have gotten his vehicle seized, licence suspended, a hefty fine, and a date with the Safety Board to determine what the full consequences of his drunk driving would be (assuming this was his first or second time blowing over). At the very minimum, it would have added a year with an ignition interlock on his vehicle too, but additional fines or punishments could have been added at that stage.

Statistics from BC have shown a big reduction in impaired driving in the past decade since this system was brought in too.

No need to cuff him and throw him in the back of a cop car and therefore, no struggle and no fatal shooting.

This death almost certainly would not have happened in Alberta, not because cops here are sweet and gentle, but because of a fundamentally different method of dealing with drunk assholes who think it's okay to drive after a case of beer or bottle of JD.


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Unless their is a direct threat the dems will not move. It's a choice between bad and no choice at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:28 pm
 


Cops have been charged in the Rayshawn Brooks killing.


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I did not realize it but hanging is a common means of suicide.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/09 ... 40-seconds

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The most common methods of suicide are hanging, pesticide self-poisoning, and firearms.


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Cops have been charged in the Rayshawn Brooks killing.



This will only lead to more good cops resigning, country wide.


This has already started.


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