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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:05 pm
 


Russia threatens ‘universal nuclear war’ if NATO peacekeepers enter Ukraine

Canada says it can boost oil, gas exports to help replace lost Russian supply

Important note that Biden has already declared a red line today, if NBC is used by Russia article 5 will be invoked also he is actively campaigning to have Russia removed from the G20. Kinda pointless as Russia will not even qualify for G20 in a few weeks at this rate.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:37 pm
 


A former Ukrainian member of parliament claims the West is ready to cannibalize Ukraine's land.

The ex-MP, Ilya Kiva, posted a map from Polish television that shows Ukrainian territory annexed by Poland, Hungary, and Romania.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:26 am
 


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I seen a story today that was talking about the difference in the goals of the Ukraine and NATO. The Ukraine is interested in total victory. They want the Russians out 100%. NATO is more interested in stopping the fighting now through some kind of deal before NATO gets sucked into the fray. The vast majority of the European members of NATO have no stomach for any fight whatsoever, and no member wants this to go nuclear. I would not be surprised to see NATO force some kind of Munich Agreement on the Ukraine to put a stop to the fighting. NATO does not want to fight. Russia is looking for any way to save face and salvage something/anything. The Ukraine has been putting up such a great fight that it would totally suck for them to be forced into making concessions but I can see it happening.

"the" Ukraine is a Soviet-era term.

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The use of "the Ukraine" is officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications. Ukraine is the official full name of the country, as stated in its declaration of independence and its constitution; there is no official alternative long name.


Just thought I'd mention... if you google it there are many articles about it (mostly recent ones)


I have to admit I still occasionally catch myself typing 'the Ukraine' and have to change it before I post. Fortunately, this old dog can learn some new tricks...but not many.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:26 am
 


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Agree with most of that. But it's far too soon in history & technology to say armour is redundant. The US, Britain, Germany, France, Israel, or any other Western power would certainly not use their armour in the completely moronic way the Russians, Arabs, and Chinese too (probably) have used their. The latter still thinks of armour as nothing more than a hammer to bash an opponent to death. Their thinking hasn't evolved beyond the Third Reich's blitzkriegs of 1939 to 1943, even though it was obvious that defense-in-depth, combined-arms, massed anti-tank guns, and infantry armed with the first generation of tank-killing MANPADs had made the blitzkrieg obsolete. The infantry-protecting-armour & armour-supporting-infantry reality is still as alien to the Russians and their wasteful attitude today as it was in 1945 when German troops with panzerfaust RPGs laid waste to thousands of Soviet vehicles during the final drive from Warsaw to Berlin. The Soviets only won their part of the war due to overwhelming numbers and from the Germans running out of fuel, not due to any superiority in battlefield tactics. The only thing more fatal to the average Soviet soldier in WW2 was than their Nazi opponents was their own destructive and wasteful leadership.

The Russians haven't learned a thing since 1945, mostly because they don't care to. The image still stuck in their heads, courtesy of their own bullshit WW2 propaganda films, is the one of their tank armies overwhelming Germany in 1944/45. And they gave that same mentality to the Arabs they supplied weaponry too, who despite their own sizable strength (on paper anyway) were consistently shredded to pieces when their armour got annihilated by the Israelis and the Americans/British. And, also, despite the never-ending panicky warnings put out in our own defense-related media over the last six decades about the "overwhelming" danger presented to us by new Soviet/Russian equipment, it invariably turns out that Russian-built vehicles are complete & total shit fit only for terrifying civilians. When they encounter Western-built armour they get destroyed in the same overwhelming ratios of 10/12/15 to one, just like they were in World War Two against the Germans.

The battle tank will be around for a very long time. The American depleted-uranium and British Chobham armour dictates that Western armour will be superior in protecting for the conceivable future. Ukraine is turning out for the Russians just like the Arab-Israel wars or Desert Storm/OIF did for the Muslim dictatorships. Western-built will always beat Russian crap, period. And the former superiority the likes of the Russians had in terms of numbers is something of the long ago past, and something as well they're not capable of returning to because they no longer have a gigantic industrialized war economy to provide them those numbers. Russia is a state in a massive decline on all levels, including in their ability to win a fight against a determined & much better armed opponent.


Agreed, and unlike the Russians, I'm sure most western armies also noticed how Turkey lost a company's worth of Leopard 2s a few years back when they sent them into an urban area in northern Syria unsupported by infantry.

The other issue is that Russian air defence completely sucks - they should have complete and utter air superiority over Ukraine, yet somehow despite a roughly 10 to 1 advantage in aircraft and SAM defences, they do not. In theory, there should have been no Ukrainian aircraft or drones in the skies a week into this conflict, nevermind a month later.

This war doesn't prove that armour is obsolete - it shows that the Russian Army is a paper tiger, with lousy doctrine, poorly trained troops, and terrible logistics.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:15 am
 


Scape Scape:
Russians blame George Soros for biolabs
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The Russian Defense Ministry announced the involvement of the Hunter Biden- led Rosemont Seneca investment fund in financing biolaboratories in Ukraine
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At the same time, there is a close relationship between the fund and the main contractors of the US military department, including Metabiota, which, along with Black and Veach, is the main supplier of equipment for Pentagon biolaboratories around the world, the agency said. In addition to the Pentagon, the US Agency for International Development, the Soros Foundation and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are directly involved in the implementation of the program - and scientific supervision is carried out, among others, by the Los Alamos National Laboratory, which develops nuclear weapons as part of the Manhattan Project,says the Ministry of Defense.


Putin realizes that his greatest ally is the unhinged American right. That's who he's playing to here. That's why he's dropping JK Rowling's name. If Fox goes full in for Russia, as Russia Carlson has, he destabilizes the US politically, which is what Russia is always trying to do.


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