Grainfedprarieboy Grainfedprarieboy:
There is an actual protocol to lower the flag but it has been circumnavigated by a recent custom formulated under Paul Martin and carried through Chretien and finally Harper. The Liberals wanted to make it a firm policy to ostensibly honour soldiers even though soldiers told them it is more of a disgrace then an honour.
Formulated under Martin and carried through Chretien?
Other way around don't you mean?
Regardless, it has already been established that the change in flag protocol was through a bill put forth by a CPC and supported by all yet nary a word is said over the culpability of the CPC.
The motion also wants to honour Canadian dignitaries killed abroad in the service of their country. Perhaps they should have simply left the military deaths off that bill but then you guys would be posting about how they care only for "their fallen buddies" and nothing about the military.
Lose - lose for them. Its always lose - lose for the Liberals when the military is concerned. No matter what they do they are vilified for it so its impossible for them to ever actually know when they are doing something wrong
because the military attacks whatever they do.Grainfedprarieboy Grainfedprarieboy:
Where the complaint of playing politics comes in is that soldiers and many Conservatives believe that the LPC so disregards the feelings of its military personnel that they will try to ram through a motion like this, to the protests and objections of the military but believing unknowing civilian voters won't understand the military's objections and will still see it as a good thing.
Bollocks. They have gotten so much bad press over it that I wonder why they even bother trying to show respect for people who won't show them any. They certainly aren't under the illusion that they will win any political support over this because according to you guys anybody who supports them already hates the military and anybody who loves the military already (and irreversibly) hates the Liberals.
I think the truth is that most conservatives and most Liberal hating military
want the Liberals to hate the military. They hate them and don't ever want to have to admit that the Liberals did something right for the military.
Thats entirely why an almost identical amount of money put in by Martin and Harper got entirely different reactions. With Martin it was "too little, too late and with Harper it was "he likes us, he really really likes us".
Grainfedprarieboy Grainfedprarieboy:
Conservatives wanted to stop new flag custom to honour request by military.
Liberals feel that the military does not adequately understand its culture or traditions and that in fact lowering the flag on every death is a better custom then what military tradition is accustomed to.
Soldiers feel that the opposition parties don't give a hoot about them and are doing this solely for political expediency as the Canadian public knows virtually nothing about its military and to the uneducated this sounds like a good idea.
Or that the cons just don't want to be bothered putting in a little extra effort.
Quite frankly the more I hear about the military saying only the CPC cares about them the more I actually want the Liberals and NDP to actually make it happen.
My friend used to have a girlfriend that pulled the old "you just don't love me trick" on him all the time. Every time she didn't get her way thats what she would say. We didn't even bother the old "wa-tosh" whip snap thing because it was just so sad but he was in love. Then one day he wasn't. Almost a light switch type effect. I finally asked him what happened. He said that she said "you just don't love me" until one day it simply became true.
Thats entirely what I see here. I don't like this flag motion and feel its wrong but neither do I believe its been done by people who hate the military and care nothing for its traditions. (Note: I will point out that the same people who say respect military tradition are the same ones trying to dismantle Canadian political traditions for their own purposes).
Keep saying the Libs and NDP "hate" the military and one day you will wake up and it will be true.