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Title: \'Imagine No Religion\' signs to go up around town
Category: Religion
Posted By: Eisensapper
Date: 2008-08-27 10:46:58

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Seems over due for something like this to happen in the states. The fundies seems to be getting louder and louder over the years and need to be put back in line.

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Fucking Liberals. The Godless Dems.

Same fuckers that don't want Christmas symbols in malls.

The United States was founded on Judao-Christian beliefs. "In God We Trust"

[Bacardi4206]

It's about time somebody started a movement for this, religion and politics do not mix. Thus the failure of the middle east. Go and take a trip to Saudi Arabia, and they are a purely religious run country. Religion is there politics basicly. There country is shit.

Personally, a dude who believes in religion and believes that the end of the world is a good thing because god will beam them up during it or however it went that has the power to launch nuclear weapons is not something I feel safe about.

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

It's about time somebody started a movement for this, religion and politics do not miss. Thus the failure of the middle east. Go and take a trip to Saudi Arabia, and they are a purely religious run country. Religion is there politics basicly. There country is shit.

Personally, a dude who believes in religion and believes that the end of the world is a good thing because god will beam them up during it or however it went that has the power to launch nuclear weapons is not something I feel safe about.

Your religion and how you live your life is very important.

You're faith plays in your policy, towards abortion, gay marriage...and so on.

[Bacardi4206]

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

It's about time somebody started a movement for this, religion and politics do not miss. Thus the failure of the middle east. Go and take a trip to Saudi Arabia, and they are a purely religious run country. Religion is there politics basicly. There country is shit.

Personally, a dude who believes in religion and believes that the end of the world is a good thing because god will beam them up during it or however it went that has the power to launch nuclear weapons is not something I feel safe about.

Your religion and how you live your life is very important.

You're faith plays in your policy, towards abortion, gay marriage...and so on.

Right so let's say I was catholic, then the pope went out and said gay marriage is a sin. Wouldn't that effect my own oppinion on it? Since the religion I worship just told me gay marriage is a sin, wouldn't that make me have to be against gay marriage? Religion and politics do not mix.

If you want to believe in religion, that is your choice but bringing that to politics that is not about religion is wrong.

Religion belongs in your houses, and in your churches. Not in the white house or any other government building. Haven't you all learned anything from history yet? I truely wonder what the medieval ages would have been like if it wasn't guided by religion and fanatics. Truely, I would love to see the result.

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The United States was founded on Judao-Christian beliefs.

Thats an urban myth.

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Eisensapper Eisensapper:

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The United States was founded on Judao-Christian beliefs.

Thats an urban myth.

$1:

Recently, many authors have debated whether or not the United States of America was founded as a Christian nation. I wish to provide a few historical quotes from our Founding Era that lend credence to the supposition that we indeed were founded as a Christian nation.

Granted, God is not mentioned in the Constitution, but He is mentioned in every major document leading up to the final wording of the Constitution. For example, Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as it has pleased the almighty God by the wise disposition of His Divine Providence…"

Most of the fifty-five Founding Fathers who worked on the Constitution were members of orthodox Christian churches and many were even evangelical Christians. The first official act in the First Continental Congress was to open in Christian prayer, which ended in these words: "...the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Savior. Amen". Sounds Christian to me.

Ben Franklin, at the Constitutional Convention, said: "...God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"

John Adams stated so eloquently during this period of time that; "The general principles on which the fathers achieved Independence were ... the general principles of Christianity ... I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that the general principles of Christianity are as etemal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Later, John Quincy Adams answered the question as to why, next to Christmas, was the Fourth of July this most joyous and venerated day in the United States. He answered: "...Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?" Sounds like the founding of a Christian nation to me. John Quincy Adams went on to say that the biggest victory won in the American Revolution was that Christian principles and civil government would be tied together In what he called an "indissoluble" bond. The Founding Fathers understood that religion was inextricably part of our nation and government. The practice of the Christian religion in our government was not only welcomed but encouraged.

The intent of the First Amendment was well understood during the founding of our country. The First Amendment was not to keep religion out of government. It was to keep Government from establishing a 'National Denomination" (like the Church of England). As early as 1799 a court declared: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed on the same equal footing." Even in the letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptists of Danbury Connecticut (from which we derive the term "separation of Church and State") he made it quite clear that the wall of separation was to insure that Government would never interfere with religious activities because religious freedom came from God, not from Government.

Even George Washington who certainly knew the intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, since he presided over their formation, said in his "Farewell Address": "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars." Sure doesn't sound like Washington was trying to separate religion and politics.

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Still sounds like the Founding Fathers knew this was a Christian nation.

This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:

"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".

In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'

It should be noted here that even as late as 1958 a dissenting judge warned in Baer v. Kolmorgen that if the court did not stop talking about the "separation of Church and State", people were going to start thinking it was part of the Constitution.

It has been demonstrated in their own words: Ben Franklin, George Washington and John Adams, to the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court, how our founding fathers felt about the mix of politics and religion.

When we read articles such as "What's God got to do with it?" (Primack, 5/4) and "The wall between state and church must not be breached" (Tager, 5/7) it just reaffirms how little, even intelligent people, understand about the founding of our great Republic. To say that this nation was not founded as a Christian nation or that the Constitution was not founded on Christian principles is totally at odds with the facts of history.

Tex Browning

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

If you want to believe in religion, that is your choice but bringing that to politics that is not about religion is wrong.

It is important when you have 100 million Christians in the United States (or more) that want to be represented by someone of simular faith and values.

[Bacardi4206]

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

If you want to believe in religion, that is your choice but bringing that to politics that is not about religion is wrong.

It is important when you have 100 million Christians in the United States (or more) that want to be represented by someone of simular faith and values.

The United States is not a christian country, it has many christians in it along with catholics but it also has many other religions, Islam, Buddhism, a shit load of cultures and religions. Hell I believe even paganism is still around and living in the United States. Just within a small majority of wierdos.

Should all these religions also get a politicians to represent there religious beliefs? The job of a politician is not to make people feel better about there religious beliefs. Its about running and manageing the country which does not involve religion. Gay Marriage is a country issue, debated by all the people in the country. It's not a christian issue, and it is not debated by only christians.

All these issues are COUNTRY issues, debated by politicians. Religion has nothing to do with it, but for some reason it gets into politics.

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"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."
"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches."

-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

-John Adams was not a Christian, he was know for getting quite pissed off when he saw that the Catholic church was getting to much power.-

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

-John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States

Thomas Jefferson (Deist)

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat


http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm
http://ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.php

This is what I found in only 15 min. There is much more.

[fifeboy]

tritium tritium:

The United States was founded on Judao-Christian beliefs. "In God We Trust"

And a right to free speech, eh!

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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Should all these religions also get a politicians to represent there religious beliefs?

Many soon as VP; Mitt Romney and his Magic Mormon Underwear

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Do you support religious groups interfering with politics?

[Bacardi4206]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."
"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches."

-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

-John Adams was not a Christian, he was know for getting quite pissed off when he saw that the Catholic church was getting to much power.-

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

-John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States

Thomas Jefferson (Deist)

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat


http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm
http://ffrf.org/nontracts/xian.php

This is what I found in only 15 min. There is much more.

We all well know the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation but no where in my words did I mention the foundation of the United States.

Today the United States is no longer purely a Christian, like in history. Today the United States belongs to many religions from all parts of the world. Any politician can believe whatever they wanted, you can have a next senator whos Islamic or a Athiest.

Point being? The United States doesn't revolve around Christianity. It revolved around all Americans.