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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:30 pm
It can be a common value, but it is a Québec value. Saying it's only a Canadian value is a stupid rethoric based on the fact that you deny the right of Québec to definite his own values.
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ElvisGratton
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:32 pm
Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski: Brenda Brenda: You cannot immigrate to Quebec without French. You have to fill out your paperwork in French... And more of that shit... Look, I am no expert by any means. I have seen plenty of Anglos, especially in Montreal West, get by, but they probably speak some French. Also not sure, but always assumed that immigration was a Federal issue. Therefore it should have it in both official languages. If you want to know how our Anglo in the west island are thinking of this $1: http://communities.canada.com/montrealgazette/forums/thread/252404.aspx Look at the last post
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:33 pm
Anways, the thing that I am trying to get at, is there should be better ways or better solutions than forcing the 101 Bill down everyone's throat. Either way, if ''only'' French speaking immigrants are allowed here, then it only leaves a few countries from which to pick from. One only has to look at Montreal North to get any sort of clue. Perhaps I should let JoBec explain it for the rest of us.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:38 pm
snookums snookums: Sure it is part of Quebec NOW ok the debate is closed. She recognize this is a Québec value. Even if we didn't went fast as Canada to have this as a value doesn't mean this isn't a strong value in present Québec society. Saying anything against that is just really stupid, and putting all the attention on the fact that Québec was the last of the Provinces just show again all your hate toward Québec. Having more studies than me(oh she is so proud to say that !) doesn't mean you are right, I hope you can regognize it, if not there is a serious problem with your intelligence.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:40 pm
Marc01 Marc01: It can be a common value, but it is a Québec value. Saying it's only a Canadian value is a stupid rethoric based on the fact that you deny the right of Québec to definite his own values. It's a BC value, an AB value, a SK value, a MB (thats short for Manitoba, right? ) value, an ON value, a NB value, a PEI value, a NS value, a NL value, a Nunavut value, a NWT value, a Yukon value AND a Quebec value. Funny, together, these provinces and territories make a country called... CANADA
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:41 pm
yes and it's United Staes value, France value, Denmark value, Ireland value, funny, together it make the great country called.... oh forget that.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:43 pm
Marc01 Marc01: yes and it's United Staes value, France value, Denmark value, Ireland value, funny, together make the great country called.... oh forget that. Sweety, YOU are the one seperating Quebec from the rest of Canada. You should really accept the fact Quebec is not its own country. You make it sound like Quebec invented it. Now THAT I call stupid.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:47 pm
well you might misunderstood because of the language translation, (I'm not perfectly bilingual) but it's obvious that equality of sexes is a common value of all the Western Civilisation. (Occident)
We need to precise it's a Québec value for the immigrants from India, China, Irak, etc.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:49 pm
Marc01 Marc01: MacDonaill MacDonaill: Marc01 Marc01: La commission Bouchard-Taylor a statué que le multiculturalisme ne convenait pas pour le Québec, c'est pour nous une évidence depuis longtemps. Ça fait consensus au Québec, arrête de chercher des poux.
Pour ce qui est de Trudeau, jamais depuis qu'il a rapatrié la constitution en 1982 le Parti Libéral n'a réussi à récupérer une majorité de sièges au Québec, et cela même avant l'apparition du Bloc. Nous n'avons jamais pardonné à Trudeau et aux Libéraux d'avoir rappatrié la Constitution sans le Québec. Même si une majorité des Québécois ne l'aime pas, «majorité» n'est pas synonyme de «tout le monde». En plus, n'importe quel parti peut prendre une majorité des sièges sans avoir une majorité des voix. Deuxièmement, cette commission était un désastre depuis le début. Elle ne parle pas non plus au nom de tout le monde (heureusement). What in the word "consensus" you don't understand ? There is marginal people who thinks differently, like there is some people who think what Hitler did was good and some think we should be communists. I don't consider theses opinions if it's below 5%. Et puis la Commission n'est pas un désastre, là ou la Commission a fait fausse route, c'est quand elle vient dire à la majorité québécoise que nous devrions nous appeler "Québécois d'origine canadienne-française". À ça je répond : Vas-Chier man !" Mais sinon certaines des recommandations sont souhaitables, dont celle demandant à ne pas considérer le multiculturalisme au Québec. Même Charles Taylor, un fédéraliste anglophone, en a convenu. Dude, consensus my ass. Unlike you probably, I actually watched the Commission and kept up with its entire progression. The town meetings were a free-for-all for everything from straight up racists to separatists to bleeding hearts... Tous les ringards de la province se sont présentés foutre la merde dans ces réunions, et vous n'allez pas me dire que ces gens-là ont trouvé tous un consensus! Pour ce qu'il y a des Québécois d'ascendance canadienne-française, écoutez mec ça existe. Canadien-français c'est une ethnie qui se répand partout au Canada, aux É.-U. et même ailleurs. Au Québec, les Canadiens-français sont majoritaire. Le mot québécois n'est ni un synonyme ni un remplacement pour le mot canadien-français. Putain, même moi je suis légalement «québécois» - c'est-à-dire que je suis un citoyen canadien qui vis au Québec. Mais je ne suis pas canadien-français. Je suis canadien-anglais. Il y en a d'autres qui sont polonais, allemands, haïtiens, camerounais, français, belges etc... Mais légalement, ce sont tous des Québécois, même s'ils n'ont rien à foutre de vos conneries nationalistes (comme moi).
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:52 pm
Marc01 Marc01: well you might misunderstood because of the language translation, (I'm not perfectly bilingual) but it's an evidence that equality of sexes is a common value of all the Western Civilisation. (Occident) OMFG that is an almost exact quote of what I said here: Brenda Brenda: Ah, there we go. So, Quebec is not a part of Canada, Canada is not a western country, and in the western, Christian Culture of today, equality of sexes is not common and hasn't been for years. Glad we set that straight.
I guess the sarcasm was lost on you. $1: We need to precise it's a Québec value for the immigrants from India, China, Irak, etc. Euhmmm, I think they can read the (french) manual that comes with the application kit... In that manual, it says it is common in Canada that men and women have equal rights. Did you even know there is a "Guide for newcomers to Canada" (or something) on the CIC website?
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:55 pm
Marc01 Marc01: snookums snookums: Sure it is part of Quebec NOW ok the debate is closed. She recognize this is a Québec value. Even if we didn't went fast as Canada to have this as a value doesn't mean this isn't a strong value in present Québec society. Saying anything against that is just really stupid, and putting all the attention on the fact that Québec was the last of the Provinces just show again all your hate toward Québec. Having more studies than me(oh she is so proud to say that !) doesn't mean you are right, I hope you can regognize it, if not theres a serious problem with your intelligence. For everything that's holy in the world (and I'm not even religious) you need to STFU for a minute By saying that sex equality is a Quebec value, you make it sound like it came from there and only in Quebec does sex equality exist. Not so as it came from THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAN OTHER PROVINCES FIRST and Quebec was the last one to accept it. As Brenda tried to get through your head, it's a CANADIAN value, not a Quebec one, unlike culture which could be said to be unique to French Canadians living in Quebec. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my intelligence - you keep bringing my credentials compared to yours... Inferiority complexing much?? Get over it already. And you really need to get over your little obsession that I hate Québec
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:59 pm
T'es qui toé pour nous dire comment on devrait s'appeler ? T'es qui pour nous dire qu'on ne devrait pas être nationalistes ? Qu'est-ce que tu sais de notre histoire ?
edit : I was answering to MacDonald.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:59 pm
People, this fucking guy does not speak for all Quebeckers.
People here, especially separatists, have a bad habit of thinking everyone agrees with them. It's arrogant as hell, and it pisses me off every single day. It's sort of stupid when you think about it because if everyone was on the same page, Quebec would be independent already, and with a hell of a lot more than 50% + 1 I'd say.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:03 pm
your head is full of shit man. I never said everyone agree with me.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:04 pm
MacDonaill MacDonaill: People, this fucking guy does not speak for all Quebeckers. We know that, otherwise we would gladly have let you go (kicked you out ) and make a mess of your own country
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