[Akhenaten]

kenmore kenmore:

I am heading to the anti prorogation rally here shortly. They are expecting thousands.. so you are not the only disappointed CPC voter. There are 3 of them on the committee that arranged the rally here.

But....it isn't an anti-prorgation rally. It's an anti-Harper rally. If it was an "anti-progation" rally it would be against the practice, rule and concept of prorogation and would be demanding we change the rules surrounding it.


Has anyone stood up and said, "Let just limit proroges to this set of circumstances by way of law and then we can make sure no one does this in the future"? No. So it's not an anti-prorgue rally. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that Iggy and the Liberals wanna keep the possibility open for them to do exactly the same thing in 4-5 years.

You gonna be at a rally when that happens? I sincerely doubt it.

[Akhenaten]

Parliament Hill....

"Protest Cam"....live shots of the Hill. We can watch the protest develop. Maybe try and do our own head counts.


tp://www.parliamenthill.gc.ca/text/camera-eng.html

[poquas]

$1:

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, speaking to his caucus on Parliament Hill, says "Canada is safer, stronger and better off" after four years of Conservative rule.

Of course he said that..........





Nobody else could be convinced to say it!

[Gunnair]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Agreed with Jeff and Fiddle

Agreed with the three of ya. I've been reasonably happy with Harper and I think he's made some progress. Not happy with the stimulus, nor this last prorogation. I'm warming to leaving Afghanistan if only to progress on the capital expenditures that have gone nowhere and to cease the fiscal hemorage in the defence budget. I'm still not sure about a majority though.

Any supporters out there ready for a majority?

[N_Fiddledog]

Personally, I'm more pissed at my provincial government than my federal one. Federally, it's choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Provincially, for me, it's Stan Marsh's, South Park dilemma of choosing between a giant douche, and a turd sandwich.

[kenmore]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

kenmore kenmore:

I am heading to the anti prorogation rally here shortly. They are expecting thousands.. so you are not the only disappointed CPC voter. There are 3 of them on the committee that arranged the rally here.

But....it isn't an anti-prorgation rally. It's an anti-Harper rally. If it was an "anti-progation" rally it would be against the practice, rule and concept of prorogation and would be demanding we change the rules surrounding it.


Has anyone stood up and said, "Let just limit proroges to this set of circumstances by way of law and then we can make sure no one does this in the future"? No. So it's not an anti-prorgue rally. Because you can bet your bottom dollar that Iggy and the Liberals wanna keep the possibility open for them to do exactly the same thing in 4-5 years.

You gonna be at a rally when that happens? I sincerely doubt it.

There were thousands at the rally,, most just wanting harper to get back to work. There were lots of signs saying to vote him out though, there are loads of people ( torys as well) that want and end to him..

[PimpBrewski123]

Satisfied with Harper and the CPC, and that as a Quebecer.

Only putting this out there since many in the ROC automatically assume that everyone here supports the Bloc or whatever.

And with some comments that I have seen from some QC Liberal and Bloc politicians in the media as of late, that even corraborates CPC support. And now having said that, Harper owes me a beer.

[Gunnair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Personally, I'm more pissed at my provincial government than my federal one. Federally, it's choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Provincially, for me, it's Stan Marsh's, South Park dilemma of choosing between a giant douche, and a turd sandwich.

I'm very pissed with Campbell - between the excessively expensive olympics, stealthy arrival of the HST, and the majority of stimulus spending going into metro Vancouver not to mention the coming layoffs of government underlings while MLAs enjoy their fat bonuses, and there is they exceedingly disgusted part of me that is looking at Carol James and deciding I might have to fight the automatic cringe response.

[OldChum]

At least you voted these govts in Sellinger is to be that yet. So far he is better then Mcfayden , who has never got past the bring the Jets back comment .

[N_Fiddledog]

Gunnair Gunnair:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Personally, I'm more pissed at my provincial government than my federal one. Federally, it's choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Provincially, for me, it's Stan Marsh's, South Park dilemma of choosing between a giant douche, and a turd sandwich.

I'm very pissed with Campbell - between the excessively expensive olympics, stealthy arrival of the HST, and the majority of stimulus spending going into metro Vancouver not to mention the coming layoffs of government underlings while MLAs enjoy their fat bonuses, and there is they exceedingly disgusted part of me that is looking at Carol James and deciding I might have to fight the automatic cringe response.

I here ya, but federally for me it's easy. It's one issue. Energy. As long as Obama remains a lame duck president in the US we're not going to get Cap and trade in Canada with Harper. Obama's continued uselessness is a safe bet.

Provincially, in BC, one's brainwashed on that issue, and the other sees personal advantage. Neither mindset works for me.

Federally, energy stupidity is the final push down the hill from which there is no recovery.

[bootlegga]

I don't know about better off.

We're deeper in deficit than ever before, but the global recession really isn't Harper's fault. If Layton or Iggy was in office, I don't think they could do any better with the economy than Harper has done (which is so-so IMHO). His biggest mistake was cutting the GST while the economy was booming. Had he waited until the economy faltered, I think we'd be better off financially.

I think some countries (like the US and UK) might have more respect for us, but it's still a far cry from back in the 50s, when we were considered a go-to guy in world affairs. I think their genral opinion is that we're not a laughingstock any more. How much of that has to do with Harper is debatable, as it was 9/11 that really got defence spending ramped up again, not Harper getting elected (especially given all the defence promises he's backpedaled on in the past year and a half).

I think Harper's use of prorogue, while not unprecedented by a PM, is a warping of the intent behind its use. Where other PMs have used it to give them Parliament an unnecessary vacation, Harper has used it to stifle the opposition on not one, but two separate occasions, which I find a highly disturbing use of power.

In general, I don't think we're any better off (or worse) with Harper at the helm. He's done an average job of running the country, but I don't see it as exemplary in any fashion.

[PimpBrewski123]

bootlegga bootlegga:

We're deeper in deficit than ever before, but the global recession really isn't Harper's fault. If Layton or Iggy was in office, I don't think they could do any better with the economy than Harper has done

Nice comment there Bootlegga.

A good way to recognize that no matter who had been in charge, they could have not done much better.

The ironic thing is, that some months ago, Harper got criticized also about his stimilus package, how it was not enough. Now, these same people blame him for the deficit.

[CanadianJeff]

I have to agree with fiddledog again on the provincial pissing me off versus federal. I can't believe right now in Saskatchewan they are trying to push a nuclear reactor on us like it will somehow solve a million problems.

We are in freaking Saskatchewan. We have a TON of rivers and wind. It doesn't take a scientist to realize that natural power could be a huge success here. Instead they want to go the route that would put billions of dollars in debt on the province and make us have to deal with waste problems when the rest of the world is moving away from nuclear power.

So they decide to make a council for recommendations and over half the members on the council have at some point been on the payroll for Bruce power the very company trying to push the reactor.

Grrrrrr.

[bootlegga]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

bootlegga bootlegga:

We're deeper in deficit than ever before, but the global recession really isn't Harper's fault. If Layton or Iggy was in office, I don't think they could do any better with the economy than Harper has done

Nice comment there Bootlegga.

A good way to recognize that no matter who had been in charge, they could have not done much better.

The ironic thing is, that some months ago, Harper got criticized also about his stimilus package, how it was not enough. Now, these same people blame him for the deficit.

That's true, but I think the criticism was in how he spent the stimulus, not that it was spent. I think the Liberals and NDP would have preferred more for the average Joe than all those massive corporate bail-outs. I also think that both of them (Liberals and NDP) fully expected a big deficit, but not as big as Harper has produced. Still, no matter how you slice it, it will always be Harper's deficit, just like it was Trudeau's and Mulroney's.

Just my two cents on the deficit.

[Gunnair]

bootlegga bootlegga:

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

bootlegga bootlegga:

We're deeper in deficit than ever before, but the global recession really isn't Harper's fault. If Layton or Iggy was in office, I don't think they could do any better with the economy than Harper has done

Nice comment there Bootlegga.

A good way to recognize that no matter who had been in charge, they could have not done much better.

The ironic thing is, that some months ago, Harper got criticized also about his stimilus package, how it was not enough. Now, these same people blame him for the deficit.

That's true, but I think the criticism was in how he spent the stimulus, not that it was spent. I think the Liberals and NDP would have preferred more for the average Joe than all those massive corporate bail-outs. I also think that both of them (Liberals and NDP) fully expected a big deficit, but not as big as Harper has produced. Still, no matter how you slice it, it will always be Harper's deficit, just like it was Trudeau's and Mulroney's.

Just my two cents on the deficit.

I certainly wonder at that. Layten is big union, and I'd be surprised if he turned his back on the CAW and let the companies die.