[BeaverFever]

People don't need to go to jail over the census. If they don't fill it out they should just be fined and if they don't pay the fine they accumulate late fees and/or interest and/or get referred to collection agency with applications credit rating implications. And that should be the end of it.

[Vamp018]

Just take that Census form and return to sender, address unknown lol.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

People don't need to go to jail over the census. If they don't fill it out they should just be fined and if they don't pay the fine they accumulate late fees and/or interest and/or get referred to collection agency with applications credit rating implications. And that should be the end of it.

Maybe.

Navdeep won't answer the question specifically, but he will say "the law is the law."

Currently its a $500 fine or three months in jail if you don't fill out the form. They gave some old lady 50 days community service for not filling out the short form in 2011.

Who knows what China-boy has planned. Neither him Navdeep or even Butts wants to spell it out.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

People don't need to go to jail over the census. If they don't fill it out they should just be fined and if they don't pay the fine they accumulate late fees and/or interest and/or get referred to collection agency with applications credit rating implications. And that should be the end of it.

Maybe.

Navdeep won't answer the question specifically, but he will say "the law is the law."

Currently its a $500 fine or three months in jail if you don't fill out the form. They gave some old lady 50 days community service for not filling out the short form in 2011.

Who knows what China-boy has planned. Neither him Navdeep or even Butts wants to spell it out.

Oh yeah! Prime Minister (get used to it ) China-boy just isn't ready! Didn't you tell us that? He and the Minister should have it all figured out by the second day. Just not ready

And when they do "spell it out" I'm sure we will all be in trouble, BIG trouble

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Thanos Thanos:

As a fourth-generation Canadian citizen I formally refuse to fill out this census if there's a section on it that demands I identify my ethnicity. I'm a Canadian, period. No hyphenations. They can come and get me if they don't like it.

I would also refuse to fill it out on the same grounds. Ethnicity has no bearings on this, and never should.


-J.

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Oh yeah! Prime Minister (get used to it ) China-boy just isn't ready! Didn't you tell us that? He and the Minister should have it all figured out by the second day. Just not ready

You know, for somebody who claims he didn't vote for Canada's Chairman wannabe you sure get upset when anybody says anything negative about him.

But no, he's not ready. In fact, I doubt he even knows why he wants a long form census. But other people within his cabal, tugging on his puppet strings know. Gerald Butts knows.

[ShepherdsDog]

Thanos Thanos:

As a fourth-generation Canadian citizen I formally refuse to fill out this census if there's a section on it that demands I identify my ethnicity. I'm a Canadian, period. No hyphenations. They can come and get me if they don't like it.

Canadian citizenship didn't come into effect until January 1947. My mom wasn't even born a Canadian citizen.

[N_Fiddledog]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Thanos Thanos:

As a fourth-generation Canadian citizen I formally refuse to fill out this census if there's a section on it that demands I identify my ethnicity. I'm a Canadian, period. No hyphenations. They can come and get me if they don't like it.

Canadian citizenship didn't come into effect until January 1947. My mom wasn't even born a Canadian citizen.

What? I didn't know that. That's fascinating. Explain.

Edit

No wait, it's OK, got it.

$1:

Creation of Canadian Citizenship, January 1947[edit]

First Canadian Citizenship ceremony on January 3, 1947 in Ottawa.
Canadian citizenship, as a status separate from British nationality, was created by the Canadian Citizenship Act, 1946,[12] which came into effect on 1 January 1947.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... nuary_1947

Stupid school teachers. I swear I would have known that one if they'd ever tried to teach it to me.

[ShepherdsDog]

Pretty self explanatory. Prior to January 1947 we were just British subjects. No passports required for travel throughout the Empire/Commonwealth. Whether you were from Auckland, Sydney, Port Elizabeth, Capetown, Melbourne, Belfast, Vancouver, Bristol, Kingston, Toronto or London....you were a British subject.

[fifeboy]

$1:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Oh yeah! Prime Minister (get used to it ) China-boy just isn't ready! Didn't you tell us that? He and the Minister should have it all figured out by the second day. Just not ready

$1:

You know, for somebody who claims he didn't vote for Canada's Chairman wannabe you sure get upset when anybody says anything negative about him.

. I guess you do know that I can't vote for him unless I live in his riding. I thought he didn't run in Saskatoon University and all I am amused by is your lack of substance in your criticism. All you appear to have is his looks

$1:

But no, he's not ready. In fact, I doubt he even knows why he wants a long form census. But other people within his cabal, tugging on his puppet strings know. Gerald Butts knows.

Unless you have some droll video from Ezra, it didn't happen

[Vamp018]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Pretty self explanatory. Prior to January 1947 we were just British subjects. No passports required for travel throughout the Empire/Commonwealth. Whether you were from Auckland, Sydney, Port Elizabeth, Capetown, Melbourne, Belfast, Vancouver, Bristol, Kingston, Toronto or London....you were a British subject.

Subject?? That is so Slavish talk and title. As a PIA to the Throne and UK and recognize Canadian's as Citizens since the War of 1812 and death of Subject Title with the War of 1812. I agree fully with CDN_Patriot and Thanos. Geeze my Family has has it's roots in N.America around 1650. Both sides thru all those years Canada or US and at times killed each other. The Last recorded in our history was the US Civil War, and Internationally the War of 1812. Since the War of 1812 the Canadian Side of my Family is what is called Republican Canadian's and they hate anything with Monarchy and Parliament.

[Lemmy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Wow, this thread went to crazy in an awful hurry...even without Fiddly. Good work steppin' up, BRAH.

Beetlejuice.

Thanks for the call Lemmiwinks. And now to Brian Lilley.

Take it away Brian.

Ok so let's go through that, and see what Professor Libertarian wants to give 2 for.

So according to Brian; Industry minister, Navdeep Bains won't tell us if this new law will mean we go to jail for not filling out the form or not.

Apparently the jail time threat was the big bitch against the long form census originally and the reason it was dumped. The Toronto Sun called dumping the jail threat to the long form census a Conservative "nod to its Libertarian base".

The volunteer National Household Survey that replaced the mandatory long form census had a response rate of about 68.6 %. Authoritarian collectivists want more or best guess is they want to at least threaten you with jail.

Brian listed some of the questions that were on the old Long form census. These are the kinds of questions we suspect authoritarian assholes want to send you to jail for not answering.

The first question requires itemized intrusion into your personal finances. Your income tax form is supposed to cover what was asked there.

Brian makes the point that Liberals were the party opposed to terrorists being harassed by Bill C-51. They didn't want terrorists harassed, but they do want you harassed.

They want to know how many rooms are in your house, what are they for, and how old your house is. What sort of repairs are needed.

Brian doesn't understand why they need to know that. He says the correct answer to that is "None of your damn business."

Now as I understand Libertarianism at it's core its basically "if I'm not bothering you, don't bother me. I'll do me and you do you."

Apparently that's not it. Apparently there's some strange new sort of I don't know what you'd call it... Butt Gerbil-Libertarianism maybe, and it wants authority to make you tell it what you've got and what you're doing with it. And if you won't bow to the authority you go to jail.

The new Butt Gerbil-Libertarians need to do this, you see, so they can social plan your existence into the future. Or at least that's what a guy who tries to sell you he's a Libertarian gives 2 to.

I was gonna edit that paranoid outburst for brevity, but it's just too funny to slice up any of it.

All I said was I was happy for the return of the census for its research value, in the future, to historians. Whatever mis-wired component in your cranium drew any of the nonsensical connections and conclusions in that rant is anyone's guess.

If you have some disabled paranoia about the census, don't fill it out. It makes you a selfish douchebag, but hey, it's a free country. I wouldn't penalize anyone for refusing, but I'd tell them they're selfish pricks, just like the assholes who refuse to shovel the sidewalks in front of their houses or whip coffee cups out the goddamn car window. It's the very same "me first, fuck everyone else" mentality.

[ShepherdsDog]

Vamp018 Vamp018:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Pretty self explanatory. Prior to January 1947 we were just British subjects. No passports required for travel throughout the Empire/Commonwealth. Whether you were from Auckland, Sydney, Port Elizabeth, Capetown, Melbourne, Belfast, Vancouver, Bristol, Kingston, Toronto or London....you were a British subject.

Subject?? That is so Slavish talk and title. As a PIA to the Throne and UK and recognize Canadian's as Citizens since the War of 1812 and death of Subject Title with the War of 1812. I agree fully with CDN_Patriot and Thanos. Geeze my Family has has it's roots in N.America around 1650. Both sides thru all those years Canada or US and at times killed each other. The Last recorded in our history was the US Civil War, and Internationally the War of 1812. Since the War of 1812 the Canadian Side of my Family is what is called Republican Canadian's and they hate anything with Monarchy and Parliament.

I'm sorry but you didn't just fall from the stupid tree, you were dragged through the dumbass forest. As for your knowledge of our country's history and its institutions . .... By the way when are you going polar bear watching at the Yellowknife dump again?

[N_Fiddledog]

Lemmy Lemmy:

If you have some disabled paranoia about the census, don't fill it out.

Wait a minute now. You tell me you enjoyed my post, but you don't appear to have read it.

Brian's key critique in the video I showed you and then explained was it appeared Canadians weren't to be given the option of filling or not filling it out.



Navdeep would not deny that was the case. So if they're going to send us to jail for not filling it out it's not paranoia to worry about consequences. It's a legitimate concern.

A for real-libertarian would have keyed in on that right away and been 'OMG! The authoritarian's are coming!"

You didn't. You did the opposite.

But wait, I'll be the bigger person here. Prove me wrong. If Navdeep actually wants to throw people in jail for not completing the census is this still you? Yes or no?

If so, what are you again? Because you're not a Libertarian.

[Lemmy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Lemmy Lemmy:

If you have some disabled paranoia about the census, don't fill it out.

Wait a minute now. You tell me you enjoyed my post, but you don't appear to have read it.

Brian's key critique in the video I showed you and then explained was it appeared Canadians weren't to be given the option of filling or not filling it out.

I'm aware that it was an offence to refuse to do the census in the past, so it seems likely that it'll still be an offence of some kind to refuse when the census is next completed. But I never said a word about that. For the 3rd time, numbskull, all I said was that I was happy the census was being reinstated for its research value.

Fiddly Fiddly:

Navdeep would not deny that was the case. So if they're going to send us to jail for not filling it out it's not paranoia to worry about consequences. It's a legitimate concern.

If it actually happened it would be a concern. So let's be concerned about it when it becomes a concern.

Fiddly Fiddly:

A for real-libertarian would have keyed in on that right away and been 'OMG! The authoritarian's are coming!"

No a paranoid lunatic would leap to that state of alarm. A sane person, libertarian or not, would say to themselves "No one in Canada is going to be sent to jail for refusing to do paperwork so this outrage is just conspiracy nutbar over-reaction", like most everything you post here.

Fiddly Fiddly:

You didn't. You did the opposite.

I did neither! You're making stuff up again, Fiddly. Putting words in peoples' mouths that were never said, just conjured up in your mind. I never said a word about the possible consequences of refusing to prepare the document, either in favour or against any possible penalty. Why didn't I? Because I have common sense enough to know we don't jail people in Canada for things like this, so I disregarded the silly notion. It ain't Nicaragua we're living in.

Fiddly Fiddly:

But wait, I'll be the bigger person here. Prove me wrong. If Navdeep actually wants to throw people in jail for not completing the census is this still you? Yes or no?

Putting words in my mouth again, eh? "Still me"? Where are you getting this shit from? I never cheered anything Navdeep said or wanted. I don't care what Navdeep wants any more than I care what you want. The only thing I care about is what will actually happen. I cheered the return of the census, because it's an important historical research tool worthy of maintaining. That's 4 times now. Got it? Clear yet?

FiddlyDiddly FiddlyDiddly:

If so, what are you again? Because you're not a Libertarian.

Yes I am a libertarian. You don't know a goddamn thing about me. You've manufactured this straw man you imagine me to be. But you're as wrong about it as you are about everything else. Because you're a crazy person.