[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

OK, so wait a minute...you agree that the article is correct in its assessment of the jew hating social media slurs, but you don't think the facts should be repeated because you don't like the Jewish newspaper that posted the article. Is that it?

If that's not it, what were you complaining about?

But yeah, sometimes when I'm trying to make sense of you weirdos I need a toke.

What are you talking about? You need to lay off the hysteria for a second and come back to Earth.

I agree with what you're saying with respect to the comments being completely unacceptable. The facts should be repeated and the school needs to act.

The only thing I disagreed with was your comment that Algemeiner would be considered 'mainstream media'. Your point was already valid. I thought that saying Algemeiner was MSM was an exaggeration to get your point across. One that didn't need exaggeration.

[N_Fiddledog]

I see. So you do recognize that the article is factual.

What about acceptable? Is it acceptable? Earlier, when you were defining mainstream for us you seemed to object to the fact that a newspaper could think of itself as "mainstream" if it was directed primarily at a Jewish audience.

Too Jewish for the mainstream then? Is that it? So it's credible, but it's too Jewish. Is that your complaint?

Must be a pretty important issue for you to run in here and jump into this pool of quicksand illogic, kicking around like you think you know what you're doing.

Here, I'll try to help you. (Cuz that's the kind of sweetheart I am) The thing about quicksand of any kind is the more you fight the deeper you go.

[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I see. So you do recognize that the article is factual.

What about acceptable? Is it acceptable? Earlier, when you were defining mainstream for us you seemed to object to the fact that a newspaper could think of itself as "mainstream" if it was directed primarily at a Jewish audience.

Too Jewish for the mainstream then? Is that it? So it's credible, but it's too Jewish. Is that your complaint?

Must be a pretty important issue for you to run in here and jump into this pool of quicksand illogic, kicking around like you think you know what you're doing.

Here, I'll try to help you. (Cuz that's the kind of sweetheart I am) The thing about quicksand of any kind is the more you fight the deeper you go.

You’re completely retarded.

I’ve completely agreed with your main point here. 100%.

A Jewish-only paper is no more mainstream than a Muslim only paper or Christian-only. That’s all. It’s credible, but it’s not mainstream. It’s independent or alternative. Most non-Jewish people have no idea what Algemeiner is.

[Sunnyways]

Taking anything university students say too seriously is probably a mistake. They are prone to foolishness of all sorts. That said, I do see a difference between praising Palestinian terrorists and Mr. Hitler. I don't approve of either but some perspective please, gentlemen, One is a lot more wrong than the other. Hitler aimed to take over the whole world, slaughter billions, and had the means to carry his threats out. Thanks to the Russians and Americans he was stopped.

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Taking anything university students say too seriously is probably a mistake. They are prone to foolishness of all sorts.

I'm sorry, no one I went to university with ever said anything
even remotely like this.

Just watch how fast you get kicked out of university
if you say things like 'Christian', 'fiscally responsible', or 'two genders'.

$1:

That said, I do see a difference between praising Palestinian terrorists and Mr. Hitler. I don't approve of either but some perspective please, gentlemen, One is a lot more wrong than the other. Hitler aimed to take over the whole world, slaughter billions, and had the means to carry his threats out. Thanks to the Russians and Americans he was stopped.

Really ?

I seem to have read the Ottoman Khalifs aimed to take over the known world,
slaughter billions, and had the means to carry their threats out. Thanks to
the French and Eastern Slavs they were stopped.

[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Taking anything university students say too seriously is probably a mistake. They are prone to foolishness of all sorts.

I'm sorry, no one I went to university with ever said anything
even remotely like this.

How do you know what everyone was saying back then? What social media platforms were available in them thar days?

$1:

I seem to have read the Ottoman Khalifs aimed to take over the known world,
slaughter billions, and had the means to carry their threats out. Thanks to
the French and Eastern Slavs they were stopped.

That was when exactly? I’d say before there were a billion people to slaughter on the planet even if you threw in the Muslims. Asian tribes were a menace to Europe before Islam ever came along BTW e.g. Mr. AT Hun.

[N_Fiddledog]

Coach85 Coach85:

A Jewish-only paper is no more mainstream than a Muslim only paper or Christian-only. That’s all. It’s credible, but it’s not mainstream. It’s independent or alternative. Most non-Jewish people have no idea what Algemeiner is.

Hang on. Doesn't your big bitch about using media you don't consider mainstream rely on the idea if it's not mainstream it's not credible?

But now you're telling me you do consider Algemeiner credible. So I'm going to take it your mysterious definition of mainstream no longer relies on credibility.

I'm going to guess your definition does allow for other newspapers like the Vancouver Sun or the Edmonton Journal to be considered mainstream.

What about the Times of Israel or the Jerusalem Post? What would the Vancouver or Edmonton papers have that the Israeli ones don't? More jews? Is that a problem? Why?

They name geographical regions in their titles. Is that it? Algemeiner is published in New York but it doesn't use the name.

Very well what about Haaretz then? Haaretz is the longest running newspaper currently still in print in Israel. You tell us Algemeiner isn't mainstream because you don't know of non-Jewish people who know of Algemeiner. Have they heard of Haaretz? Unlikely but it's mainstream if the Toronto Star is.

The National post has heard of Algemeiner. They appear impressed by it in this one:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-o ... h-students

That lefty bias fact checker you like has heard of it. Here's what they say:

$1:

The Algemeiner Journal is a New York-based newspaper, covering American and international Jewish and Israel-related news. The Algemeiner Journal is typically well sourced with a right-center editorial bias.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-algemeiner-journal/

I'd heard of it. But I'm guessing you hadn't. Is that what makes it less than mainstream? You need to have heard about it before I tell you about it?

Personally, I always thought of mainstream as having an offline presence, a legacy and it reflects mainstream attitudes.

Wikipedia tells us "The Algemeiner Journal is a New York-based newspaper, covering American and international Jewish and Israel-related news. Former Senator Joseph Lieberman described the paper and the Jacobson Foundation as "independent truth-telling advocates for the Jewish people and Israel".[2] The Algemeiner's Advisory Board was chaired by Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel."

Algemeiner does have a particular audience base just as Fox News or The Guardian does. Its base is the world's jews on or offline. It is Americas fastest growing paper directed at that audience. Are you saying that audience doesn't reflect mainstream attitudes? I say Jews are western mainstream.

So Algemeiner is as credible as anything you want to put up against it. It's been around for 45 years. It is known and respected by other media. It reflects mainstream Jewish attitude which reflects mainstream western attitudes.

What about circulation then? Is local media mainstream? You're the only one who thinks so if you say no. Algemeiner's circulation on and offline can go up against a lot of other mainstream media if that's the metric you want to use.

[N_Fiddledog]

So...

* Moderately conservative according to the Coach-approved media bias fact checker = Mainstream

* Posts International and local news primarily for a specific audience, but others use it = Mainstream

* Credible = Mainstream

* Legacy media = Mainstream

* Can be grouped with other Mainstream media such as Haaretz, Times of Israel, and The Jerusalem Post = Mainstream

* Comparable to other universally accepted mainstream media by circulation = Mainstream

Algemeiner is mainstream media.

Unless you don't like the fact that it talks to so many Jews. But all that would mean is you're not mainstream.

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

How do you know what everyone was saying back then? What social media platforms were available in them thar days?

Well, we had electricity, you know.

$1:

That was when exactly? I’d say before there were a billion people to slaughter on the planet even if you threw in the Muslims. Asian tribes were a menace to Europe before Islam ever came along BTW e.g. Mr. AT Hun.

From about 700 to about 1917.

[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

How do you know what everyone was saying back then? What social media platforms were available in them thar days?

Well, we had electricity, you know.

I'd say most people are a lot more careful in face to face conversation now than they were in the olden days, and on platforms like Facebook any dodgy remark can be immediately highlighted.

[Coach85]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So...

* Moderately conservative according to the Coach-approved media bias fact checker = Mainstream

* Posts International and local news primarily for a specific audience, but others use it = Mainstream

* Credible = Mainstream

* Legacy media = Mainstream

* Can be grouped with other Mainstream media such as Haaretz, Times of Israel, and The Jerusalem Post = Mainstream

* Comparable to other universally accepted mainstream media by circulation = Mainstream

Algemeiner is mainstream media.


Unless you don't like the fact that it talks to so many Jews. But all that would mean is you're not mainstream.

You're entitled to have your opinion, Sure, it may be mainstream in the Jewish community, but comparing it to a publication that caters to all religions and all people is a false comparison.

Second, saying that a Jewish paper isn't mainstream, doesn't make one anti-Jew.

[N_Fiddledog]

Maybe we should discuss Al Jazeera?

I'll let you off the hook and let you call it an opinion.

(Although...my opinion appeared to be the one supported by evidence and rational. )

[herbie]

Maybe you should join a support group.
Onandonanon....

[Coach85]

Fiddle, you took issue with an opinion I shared while being in full support of your comments and posts and then you try to make me out like I’m anti-Jew?

Not right.

[N_Fiddledog]

Coach85 Coach85:

Fiddle, you took issue with an opinion I shared while being in full support of your comments and posts and then you try to make me out like I’m anti-Jew?

Not right.

No Coach. I played you like a fiddle. I am after all the 'fiddle' dog.

I had you not just saying, but shouting, begging me to acknowledge that a newspaper you don't want to see as mainstream was credible. That you were all in on its claims.

So whether you think a site is mainstream or not you can still see it as credible. Get it? It isn't the tag you put on it that ensures it's credibility it's whether reason and evidence show the points it makes to be credible.

Think you'll ever be reminded of that again?