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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:04 pm
 


Proculation Proculation:
more corporate tax cuts DO create jobs. you are mixing two different things: the economics behind corporate taxes and the corporatism (collusion between big businesses and washington). Crony capitalism is NOT good capitalism.



The problem is that all capitalism is crony capitalism. By such horribly wrong decisions, such as the Citizens United SCOTUS ruling down south, it's quite clear by now that giving corporations the same (if not greater) rights as individuals, corporate plutocracy becomes inevitable.

There really is no such thing as a free market. The businesses themselves prove it every day as they rush to the feeding trough of subsidies and tax credits that their bought-and-paid-for politicians keep filled with food for them.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:21 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Proculation Proculation:
more corporate tax cuts DO create jobs. you are mixing two different things: the economics behind corporate taxes and the corporatism (collusion between big businesses and washington). Crony capitalism is NOT good capitalism.



The problem is that all capitalism is crony capitalism. By such horribly wrong decisions, such as the Citizens United SCOTUS ruling down south, it's quite clear by now that giving corporations the same (if not greater) rights as individuals, corporate plutocracy becomes inevitable.

There really is no such thing as a free market. The businesses themselves prove it every day as they rush to the feeding trough of subsidies and tax credits that their bought-and-paid-for politicians keep filled with food for them.

For that I have to agree with you.
But where I disagree, is when you say it's the businesses' fault. It's the politicians'.

It reminds me of an interview of Mr. Jarislowsky (a billionaire of Quebec). He was asked after a question about unions: "So, you are anti-unions ?". He responded: "No! Not at all. The problem is not the unions. They are doing what they should be doing. The problem is the politician accepting all their demands.".

Priceless.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:05 pm
 


Well to me it's still a 50/50 crime partnership. Offering the bribe to begin with is just as wrong as accepting it in my view. This is why the bigger businesses, especially the vermin in places like Wall Street, are always against laws or regulations that demand full transparency in transactions and deals. They don't want anyone to see how badly loaded with graft and open law-breaking so many of their transactions with governments are.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:57 pm
 


andyt andyt:
Thanos Thanos:
Hopefully this'll start dawning on the population at large that the endless mantra of "more corporate tax cuts creates jobs" is a total lie. In the US especially, the corporations and ultra-wealthy have been given every single tax cut that they've ever wanted, in addition to an endless stream of tax credits that literally wipe out any taxes they are owing, as well as boundless corporate welfare and subsidies that probably number in the trillions of dollars that they receive from the various levels of government. Yet the re-appearance of non-executive jobs is nowhere to be seen.

"Hah-hah! How does it feel like when you find out you've been cheated?"
- Johnny Rotten, at the last concert of the Sex Pistols, 1978.


Take a look just at this forum. The lie is being swallowed hook line and sinker and may I have some more, sir. Psudo, with his WalMart job worries about how much more abuse the rich can take. Bart tells Derby to go to Pyongyang just for bringing up the topic. Proculation and Kahr (who claims to be left of center) will give you rightwing kant about why it all has to be that way. Backed by a chorus of Martin and Shep.


Please stop misrepresenting my positions and my posts, andyt. It got old the first half dozen times, and does feel trollish when I see it around the site -- a good deal of my posts recently would not have come up if not for a post of yours skewing my position.

What I find really funny is that you went for people who don't often post in the same threads as I do (Martin and Shep) to support my positions (even though we do share some, martin has posted my name five times in a year to disagree as often as he agrees) and totally overlooked the fact that it was myself and bootlegga (a more left-wing member of the site) who have been arguing with you together recently. I also find it funny that you attempt to link the CBC vote thing to me; even though I opposed my position on it and said I felt I would be much more moderate.

I also find it funny how you manage to toss out yet another line about how I must be right-wing (coming from a man who, of all places, has been quoting the Fraser Institute to support his position, that is somewhat funny) even though the posts where I disagree with you – on immigration, for example, or on minimum wage – my position either reflects the more Liberal stance in Canada or the stance some more Liberal countries prescribe too (such as Norway). Hell, I have tons of posts on aid and poverty on this forum. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am right-wing. If it does mean that, then you should be calling Lemmy and boots both right-wing posters on the site as well – in cases where we’ve disagreed, they generally haven’t been agreeing with you.

Maybe it’s time for you to take your own advice and “take a look just at this forum,” because it’s become clearer as time goes on that you are not giving it the solid read you request of others. If you were, I would not have to correct your generalizations, exaggerations, and straight out lies as to what I have written on this site several times every week. Perhaps the reason people are disagreeing with you in large numbers is not because this site contains a horde of right-wing posters. Maybe it's because you are just plain wrong. Possibly, it's because the variety of people here who have disagreed with you just don't share your opinion, left or right. That's normal, and should be celebrated and encouraged.

I don't really expect this post to do anything, because it's simply a far less polite post to my other ones and you have not responded to those. Generally you have run on to another thread after I appear there to complain about how I must be a horrible right-wing bastard in all things because I look at the facts and realities of minimum wage (and came to a differing conclusion from you), or because of my stance on immigration which is more Liberal than yours. Overall, you may be much more Liberal than I am, but that does not make me a hard-line Conservative, and I'd appreciate it if you stopped representing me as such in your posts.

Misrepresentation helps no one, and only polarizes the topic, killing discussion. Just look at my response here -- it's probably one of the top nastiest posts I have written on this site. There's no reason to prescribe a label to me, or my platforms. Modern politics is rife with this, rife with partisan hackery, verbal jabs, and so forth. Let's not follow the example of politicians. There's no reason to drag such things into day to day conversations on CKA.


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