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Title: Mystery blonde girl found in Greece prompts search for parents
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: maldonsfecht
Date: 2013-10-19 04:49:04

[maldonsfecht]

lawlessness... nations have laws and all within them "TRAVELLERS," gypsies and otherwise had best learn that. if there is found to be any connection to child trafficking, put this couple away for a VERY long time.

[Jabberwalker]

It sheds new light in what might have become of the McCann girl.

[andyt]

maldonsfecht maldonsfecht:

lawlessness... nations have laws and all within them "TRAVELLERS," gypsies and otherwise had best learn that. if there is found to be any connection to child trafficking, put this couple away for a VERY long time.

Except it didn't sound like the couple was trafficking the girl.

I would be surprised if most child disappearances are caused by the Rom - children disappear where there are no or very few Rom. The are just stolen for trafficking purposes by gangs, wind up as slaves in Saudi Arabia or a brothel anywhere in the world or as a pet for some rich guy. Especially the blondies. And not just girls, lots of boys/young men go missing too, but we don't worry about them.

The Rom need to learn to adapt to the societies they live in. Break the law and they go to jail. The societies the Rom live in need to give them the same rights and protections as their other citizens.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

The Rom need to learn to adapt to the societies they live in. Break the law and they go to jail. The societies the Rom live in need to give them the same rights and protections as their other citizens.

Truly, you know nothing.

[Unsound]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

The Rom need to learn to adapt to the societies they live in. Break the law and they go to jail. The societies the Rom live in need to give them the same rights and protections as their other citizens.

Truly, you know nothing.

What's wrong with what he said?

[andyt]

Presumably he thinks there's no prejudice against the Roma in Europe:

$1:

ROBERT CSORBA grabbed his four-year-old son Robika and ran for his life when the Molotov cocktail hit their home. They did not get far: both were shot dead as soon as they stepped outside. A Budapest court this week sentenced three far-right extremists to life imprisonment without parole for murdering the Csorbas and four other members of Hungary’s Roma minority in a series of attacks between 2008 and 2009. A fourth member of the group received 13 years. The four men had admitted their involvement, but had denied murder. They are likely to appeal.

The killings in northern and eastern Hungary sent a wave of terror through Hungary’s Roma community, which makes up around 8% of the country’s population of 10m. The killers had operated freely for around 14 months. The police investigation was plagued by incompetence and, say Roma activists, a lack of drive to catch the killers. Only with the arrival of FBI profilers was the case solved....


The Hungarian government has produced a Europe-wide strategy to integrate Roma, drawing rare praise from the European Commission for its initiative. But activists say that Hungary, like its neighbours, pays only lip-service to it. Roma children are frequently classified as mentally handicapped, even if they are not. About half of Roma children are segregated and receive a substandard education, says Andras Ujlaky of the Chance for Children Foundation, a campaigning group which has brought legal actions against several local authorities. Court rulings against desegregation are not enforced. Yet in Hodmezovasarhely, a city in southern Hungary, local authorities have desegregated education with enormous success, says Mr Ujlaky.

Without a decent education, Roma will never be able to better themselves. Their average life expectancy is 10-12 years less than for non-Roma. It is an enormous waste of human potential.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21 ... ut-vicious

[N_Fiddledog]

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martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

The Rom need to learn to adapt to the societies they live in. Break the law and they go to jail. The societies the Rom live in need to give them the same rights and protections as their other citizens.

Truly, you know nothing.

What's wrong with what he said?

It seems to suggest that in the hundreds of years there's been Gypsies, nobody's ever thought of that before? Or is he saying nobody's been progressive enough to implement the policies necessary? Because, God knows, there's enough progressives around now (some think they're a much bigger problem than the Gypsies) that surely one could expect them to get that lack of progressive policies problem under control. Except whatever they're doing doesn't seem to be working, does it?

One word...Heidi.

Nothing much has changed.

[martin14]

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martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

The Rom need to learn to adapt to the societies they live in. Break the law and they go to jail. The societies the Rom live in need to give them the same rights and protections as their other citizens.

Truly, you know nothing.

What's wrong with what he said?

He speaks with the all the retardation of a Liberal who has never been anywhere,
never seen anything, quotes articles written by other dolts who don't live where
they are writing about, just fly in, take a picture, write some standard BS, then fly home.

There were kill on sight orders for Gypsies in Switzerland in the 1600's, didn't work.
Hitler tried to Holocaust them, didn't work.

Stalin and all his commie friends, with all the force of a police state,
tried to forcefully integrate the Gypsies, didn't work. They even tried residential schools, didn't work.

The EU, with all it's insane hug-a-thug bullshit, has tried to force governments
to just give more and more and more to Gypsies, and when something like France decides to close and deport 51 separate camps of Gypsies, well then France must be sanctioned.
Guess what, this doesn't work either.

Why has hundreds of years of trying to solve the Gypsy problem hasn't worked ?
Why don't they integrate ?


Because they don't want to.


The ones that try, can, as individuals. That's it.
They already have the same rights as everyone else, have had for generations.

I have been reading crap about Gypsies for 15 years now, usually written by some
bleeding heart leftist who comes East for a couple of days, says oooo bad East government, then goes home.

They write. Andy gobbles it up, because he has never been, and just like the reporters, know nothing of the reality.
They are ignorant fools.

[Unsound]

Andy didn't say it would be easy. He didn't say it hadn't been tried. He didn't even say they should have any special rights. He just stated the obvious point that the best thing for the Roma and the countries they move through would be if they were treated the same as everyone and expected to behave the same.

It's a very obvious point that I think most people are aware of and can agree with. I don't think there's much discussion to be had about other ways of dealing with them, unless you're into the genocide thing, so the discussion has to be about how to get them and their host societies to arrive at a mutually agreeable set of expectations for each other.

[andyt]

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Andy didn't say it would be easy. He didn't say it hadn't been tried. He didn't even say they should have any special rights. He just stated the obvious point that the best thing for the Roma and the countries they move through would be if they were treated the same as everyone and expected to behave the same.

It's a very obvious point that I think most people are aware of and can agree with. I don't think there's much discussion to be had about other ways of dealing with them, unless you're into the genocide thing, so the discussion has to be about how to get them and their host societies to arrive at a mutually agreeable set of expectations for each other.

Seems Martin thinks the fault lies only with the Roma. You only need to look at the article I quoted to know it's a two way street. European authorities need to do a much better job of protecting the Roma and making sure their kids go to school so they can join the regular workforce. That will take both carrots and sticks. No it won't be easy, progress has been made, more needs to be done.

I certainly didn't say they should have special rights, in fact just the opposite. Just as I don't want special rights for our Natives. I just recognized that special efforts are required to eradicate years of entrenched racism. The Roma, like our Natives, have to make the effort to integrate. The stick should come out when they don't. But Europe needs to do a much better job of helping them do that, just as we need to with the Natives.

[martin14]

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so the discussion has to be about how to get them

The same result as talking to a brick wall.



Those that want to integrate, do. Funny how those stories never make it into the MSM.

Might portray the hosts as too human.


Those that don't, won't, under any circumstances.

[N_Fiddledog]

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Andy didn't say it would be easy. He didn't say it hadn't been tried. He didn't even say they should have any special rights. He just stated the obvious point that the best thing for the Roma and the countries they move through would be if they were treated the same as everyone and expected to behave the same.

OK so here's a pack of them coming in off the plane. 'These folks look like gypsies,' we think quietly to ourselves. Do we as security check them for priors, smuggled items, and phony IDs, or do we wave them through, like we would if they weren't Gypsies...or do we just do what we did for the Muslims, and think 'these guys have been doing bad things, so let's skin frisk everybody getting on the plane except them'.

Progressive policies of phony "fairness" don't work. They create bigger problem.

Now if I was king of the airport the Gypsies, or if you prefer the Romana would find themselves on the next flight home. Am I an asshole? Maybe, but would there be a Gypsy problem?

There's this great video at YouTube of a recent immigrant Gypsy trying to walk out of a store with a 24 case of beer under her skirt.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There's this great video at YouTube of a recent immigrant Gypsy trying to walk out of a store with a 24 case of beer under her skirt.

That proves what lousy scum they really are. Show me the white man or woman who would stoop so low.

Nobody is talking about them emigrating here. It's up to Europe to solve this problem. If we're getting phony refugee claims from the Check Republic or Mexico or where have you, it's up to us to have the stones to send them back in short order, instead of having all those layers of appeals. Harper's in charge, he's got a majority, let him change the system so phony refugees are put back on the next plane.

[ShepherdsDog]

Where's the Check republic, or is it the Cheque Republic?