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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:16 am
 


I hate to rip on the Malaysians but it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing over there.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:26 am
 


I guess any country would be flummoxed by an incident such as this, but they do seem to not have their communication ducks in a row. This may be because the media is tightly controlled there, only publishes what the govt allows, but in this case the govt opened up to get help. They're just not used to doing it this way.

But this engines sending signals thing - I mean come on, either they did or they didn't. wtf?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:30 am
 


andyt andyt:
Actually the images are from Sunday. why not released until now?


Took time for analysis to estimate the probability that the object in the image isn't just random trash floating in the sea.

And there's still persistent chatter putting the event in the Gulf of Tonkin between Vietnam and Hainan Island. The US Navy has a seafloor mapping ship in the Gulf running a search pattern along with some Chinese and Vietnamese ships.

Until the plane is actually found I don't see any of the three navies calling off the search in that area.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:34 am
 


Sure, and they're searching to west of Malaysia too. By now they don't have a clue where to search it seems.

As for taking time to estimate the probability, that makes no sense. Many are saying now it's probably not the wreckage. But if you saw something like this, in the most likely area the plane went down, wouldn't you send some aircraft in to check it out asap?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:14 am
 


....meanwhile on the other side of the rift, the passengers and are being detained and questioned by DST officials in Saigon, while Direction Générale de l'Aviation Civile scours the aircraft


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:21 am
 


andyt andyt:
Sure, and they're searching to west of Malaysia too. By now they don't have a clue where to search it seems.

As for taking time to estimate the probability, that makes no sense. Many are saying now it's probably not the wreckage. But if you saw something like this, in the most likely area the plane went down, wouldn't you send some aircraft in to check it out asap?


I would. But then in the case of China bear in mind that if they did accidentally down this plane then sending everyone else on wild goose chases until their own people could retrieve the wreckage and etc. would be in the interests of the Chinese government.

Until the plane is actually found there remains the very strong possibility that China shot it down given that China made clear they would shoot down aircraft entering the SCS without identifying themselves. They have already made clear that they have a hostile policy in the area and it stands to reason that they may have made good on their threats.

Now if they did shoot down this plane and the majority of the dead are Chinese then it would also follow to pattern that the Chinese government would pull out all the stops to suppress this information.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:24 am
 


my scenario is more realistic


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:26 am
 


The plane lost contact nowhere near the area you're talking about. The telemetry went out there. So unless the Chinese had suicidal agents on board who shut it off, then forced the plane to keep flying right over Vietnam with no radar trace somehow, your theory makes no sense.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:32 am
 


andyt andyt:
Sure, and they're searching to west of Malaysia too. By now they don't have a clue where to search it seems.

As for taking time to estimate the probability, that makes no sense. Many are saying now it's probably not the wreckage. But if you saw something like this, in the most likely area the plane went down, wouldn't you send some aircraft in to check it out asap?

It was already being searched since it was on the original flight path. They didn't just send a plane out there to search that spot.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:39 am
 


I think there appears to be much confusion about what is going on because the Malaysian military is somewhat inept at coordinating a search, but I also think the media is tossing out rumours and innuendo to create breaking news. They themselves wouldn't have the equipment to cover all possible areas so it may be a bit of patch work of searches with little information being shared. I'm assuming there is also the fact that that part of the world is 16 time zones away from EST.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:19 am
 


andyt andyt:
The plane lost contact nowhere near the area you're talking about. The telemetry went out there. So unless the Chinese had suicidal agents on board who shut it off, then forced the plane to keep flying right over Vietnam with no radar trace somehow, your theory makes no sense.


Multiple independent observers report an aircraft crashing into the sea in the Gulf of Tonkin at about the time the Malaysian flight would have been in the area. It is on the plane's flight path. It is also in an area where China has previously stated hostile intent. Vietnam, China, and the US are currently searching the area in addition to the other areas being searched.

Given that three separate governments are actively engaged in searching the area it's obvious that the idea of the plane going down in the area has yet to be ruled out.

And if it were in any of the places you think it's supposed to be in then why hasn't it been found yet? :?:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:03 am
 


Bayes’ Theorem helped determine where Flight 447 would most likely be




Days after a Malaysian airliner with 239 people aboard went missing en route to Beijing, searchers are still struggling to find any confirmed sign of the plane. Authorities have acknowledged that they didn't even know what direction it was heading when it disappeared.

As frustrations mount over the failures of the latest technology in the hunt for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, some scientists say an 18th-century mathematical equation – used in a previous search for an Air France jetliner's black box recorder – could help pinpoint the location of the Malaysian plane.

In 2009, Air France Flight 447 en route to Paris from Rio de Janeiro vanished over the Atlantic Ocean, triggering the most expensive and exhaustive search effort ever conducted for a plane. After two years, officials could only narrow the location of the plane's black box down to an area the size of Switzerland.

But Flight 447’s black box was found in just five days after authorities contacted scientific consultants who applied a centuries-old equation called Bayes’ Theorem.

“It’s a very short, simple equation that says you can start out with hypothesis about something — and it doesn’t matter how good the hypothesis is,” said Sharon Bertsch McGrayne, author of “The Theory That Would Not Die: How Bayes' Rule Cracked the Enigma Code, Hunted Down Russian Submarines, and Emerged Triumphant from Two Centuries of Controversy.”

That’s because the hypothesis can keep changing and improve, and still be used with the theorem, McGrayne told Al Jazeera.

“You are committed to modify that hypothesis every time a new piece of information arises,” McGrayne said.

Bayes’ Theorem, which is also used in Google’s driverless cars and predictions in stock markets, is based on probability. Because the theorem starts with a hypothesis – something McGrayne said “can be very subjective” – it had been seen as controversial until the 1960s. But because it forces researchers to change their hypothesis with each new piece of information, the probability becomes more accurate.

The theorem was used in World War II to locate German U-boats and the lost nuclear submarine U.S.S. Scorpion. It was also used during the Cold War to spot Soviet submarines.

Applying all available information – including wind and water currents, previous flight patterns and underwater drift – Bayes’ Theorem helped French authorities determine where Flight 447 would most likely be. The flight’s black box was then found under more than 12,000 feet of water.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:29 pm
 


This is starting to sound like The Bermuda Triangle. 8O


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:24 pm
 


I'm sure that some psychics, somewhere are offering their services as we post.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:47 pm
 


When this plane is finally found it will probably be over the Okefenokee Swamp in Florida flying in close formation with five TBM Avenger torpedo bombers accompanied by a PBM-5 Mariner flying boat........ :!:


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