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Title: Vancouver to First Nations: This land is your land
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-06-26 10:51:05
Canadian

[BartSimpson]

Then give it back.

[Zipperfish]

In realted news:

Tsilhqot'in First Nation granted B.C. title claim in Supreme Court ruling

Significantly:

$1:

However, the court declared that title is not absolute, meaning economic development can still proceed on land where title is established as long as one of two conditions is met:
■Economic development on land where title is established has the consent of the First Nation.
■Failing that, the government must make the case that development is pressing and substantial, and meet its fiduciary duty to the aboriginal group.

This gives the first nations who have title a virtual veto over use of their land.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Then give it back.

. . .to the Clovis people.

[BartSimpson]

[Gunnair]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

In realted news:

Tsilhqot'in First Nation granted B.C. title claim in Supreme Court ruling

Significantly:

$1:

However, the court declared that title is not absolute, meaning economic development can still proceed on land where title is established as long as one of two conditions is met:
■Economic development on land where title is established has the consent of the First Nation.
■Failing that, the government must make the case that development is pressing and substantial, and meet its fiduciary duty to the aboriginal group.

This gives the first nations who have title a virtual veto over use of their land.

Yep. Might be a double edged sword that drives away development in the end.

[Gunnair]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Then give it back.

. . .to the Clovis people.

Actually, I'm now waiting for the next band to step in with a land claim of previous occupation. See how that one plays out.

[OnTheIce]

"Symbolic"? Sure.

What the natives will now expect:

[Zipperfish]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Yep. Might be a double edged sword that drives away development in the end.

Could be. I'm hoping it provides the impetus for a modern day treaty with the Chilcotin.

[DrCaleb]

Gunnair Gunnair:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Then give it back.

. . .to the Clovis people.

Actually, I'm now waiting for the next band to step in with a land claim of previous occupation. See how that one plays out.

I'm waiting for everyone to realize that this argument is circular and will never end until people decide to end it. Then we can get on with what needs to be done.

The first people, who may have been European, got supplanted by the Clovis people; who got replaced by the "First Nations", and the Siberian Thule who probably wiped out the Dorset people and tossed out the Vikings; all of whom were tossed aside by European settlers.

'Who was first' is mostly irrelevant to 'who is here now' and 'what needs to be done for our future'.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I'm waiting for everyone to realize that this argument is circular and will never end until people decide to end it. Then we can get on with what needs to be done.

The first people, who may have been European, got supplanted by the Clovis people; who got replaced by the "First Nations", and the Siberian Thule who probably wiped out the Dorset people and tossed out the Vikings; all of whom were tossed aside by European settlers.

'Who was first' is mostly irrelevant to 'who is here now' and 'what needs to be done for our future'.

I ebelive one wag at another site put it: "Fighting over who owns the land is like fleas fighting over who owns the dog."

The first and foremost rule in the minds of everyone should be: "We are both here. Neither European (and other) settlers or the First Nations peoples are going anywhere."

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Yep. Might be a double edged sword that drives away development in the end.

Could be. I'm hoping it provides the impetus for a modern day treaty with the Chilcotin.

AFAIK, this isn't just about the Chilcotin, but all of BC. This could get very very serious. Time for a constitutional amendment.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Yep. Might be a double edged sword that drives away development in the end.

Could be. I'm hoping it provides the impetus for a modern day treaty with the Chilcotin.

AFAIK, this isn't just about the Chilcotin, but all of BC. This could get very very serious. Time for a constitutional amendment.

Yeah, that was my take as well. I would imagine the BC government is losing its shit right now. At least that'll save the province the lawyers fees in land claims since it seems the Feds want to step in.

[BRAH]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

"Symbolic"? Sure.

What the natives will now expect:

The thing is they always expect that and eventually the Government caves in, Fuck 7 Billion a year let's give them more.

[Regina]

Right or wrong.....this is going to be bad for any kind of economic development. This will be like paying off the Mafia.