[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Anyone who says the noise won't increase wildly when everyone starts dropping a windmill in their backyard is just kidding themselves. Imagine being the poor doofus next door to the guy who doesn't get the thing maintenance ever when the inevitable squeaking and squealing begins from worn out bearings or lube breakdown. And the bird death will increase exponentially too because of the damn things.

Pointing out the obvious ain't fun but it needs to be done before the herd stampedes themselves off of a cliff again.

The property owners aren’t the people who maintain the turbine Thanos, come on. When oil companies drill on your property do they make the property owners maintain the pumpjack?

Bird death claims are a myth. Windmills are not even in the top 10 causes.

$1:

Wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fuelled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh.....wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fuelled power plants 14.5 million

In other words, for every one bird killed by a wind turbine, nuclear and fossil fuel powered plants killed 2,118 birds....
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http://theconversation.com/wind-farms-a ... -why-79567

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stray voltage is real.

'Stray voltage' is not a thing. 'Magnetic Fields' is what you are looking for, and they increase as you decrease the distance. So moving power lines from 100' in the air to 6' in the ground increases the magnetic effect. But that effect has not been proven to affect anyone.

It's just shows how silly some people are to think that 'out of sight, out of mind' has any consequence, given the giant magnetic field we all live in.

[BeaverFever]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stray voltage is real.

'Stray voltage' is not a thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_voltage

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Stray voltage is real.

'Stray voltage' is not a thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_voltage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field

[llama66]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/both_are_right

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/both_are_right

I beg to differ. Beave's link was describing:

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Neutral to earth voltage (NEV) specifically refers to a difference in potential between a locally grounded object and the grounded return conductor, or neutral, of an electrical system.

'Voltage' cannot flow without a conductor, and the voltage in power lines is specifically chosen so that it cannot use air (even humid air) as the conductor. Tower design prevents the tower from doing this as well.

Whereas, even in his article it describes:

$1:

Induced voltages

Classical electromagnetic induction can occur when long conductors form an open grounded loop under and parallel to transmission or distribution lines. In these cases, current is induced in the loop when a person makes contact with it and ground. Since this involves real current flow, it is potentially hazardous. This type of induced current occurs most often on long fences and distribution lines built under high-power transmission lines.[8][9]

Which can only occur with the magnetic field that power lines generate. I spent all that time with 72 virgins and all I gots was an engineering degree.

So I maintain, with respect to power lines, 'stray voltage' isn't a thing.

[llama66]

However Stray Voltage, while super rare, is a thing.

[DrCaleb]

Yup, if you don't follow codes, it can happen.

But not under power lines, which was the context.

[llama66]

pffft. Codes. I have a code for you...

[llama66]

48 61 76 65 20 61 20 67 72 65 61 74 20 64 61 79 21

[DrCaleb]

0=LA=CHA=J@=O

[llama66]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

0=LA=CHA=J@=O

Nope, I don't even know how to begin...

[DrCaleb]

Sorry, I just have ASCII charts memorized.

[llama66]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Sorry, I just have ASCII charts memorized.

4e 65 72 64

[DrCaleb]

And proud!