[Newsbot]

Title: U.S. firms fight to keep global warming data secret
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-10-29 01:08:05

[Gunnair]

Huh.

Well I wonder why?

[DrCaleb]

I've been saying it for years. Manufacturing and business has been offloading their costs on to the population for years as a cost saving measure. If they had to return the air and water in the same condition they borrowed it in, their business models crumble.

It only makes sense they they don't want us to know how much it's costing us.

[BartSimpson]

I'm all in favor of such disclosures so long as the Chinese et al do it too.

[Pseudonym]

From the article, it seems to imply that the businesses are already required to disclose the gross amount of gases that they release into the atmosphere, and are objecting to having to release internal data regarding their processes. Is that correct?

[desertdude]

So China is the new moral beacon that world should to look to and aspire to be like ?

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

So China is the new moral beacon that world should to look to and aspire to be like ?

No. The point is that when China is now the world's #1 emitter of CO2 any reductions made at a sizable economic cost by the USA and Canada can be rapidly erased by increases in Chinese industry.

I don't subscribe to the idea that man is causing global warming anyway. We may be influencing it, but if so, then any such influence is done at a global level and must be resolved at a global level.

Destroying industry in the West while China, Russia, India, Brazil, and etc. continue to pollute is no less than an assault on Western economies.

[desertdude]

After a long time there is a lot ( not all )of which I can agree with in there.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I've been saying it for years. Manufacturing and business has been offloading their costs on to the population for years as a cost saving measure. If they had to return the air and water in the same condition they borrowed it in, their business models crumble.

It only makes sense they they don't want us to know how much it's costing us.

In fact the whole capitalist system would crumble. But then you and I also don't return the environment to the condition we found it in. Can't really be done. What can be done is a cost assigned to the environmental damage any activity charges - that's the best way to protect the environment. Wouldn't even need any laws, the market would act as regulator.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I've been saying it for years. Manufacturing and business has been offloading their costs on to the population for years as a cost saving measure. If they had to return the air and water in the same condition they borrowed it in, their business models crumble.

It only makes sense they they don't want us to know how much it's costing us.

In fact the whole capitalist system would crumble. But then you and I also don't return the environment to the condition we found it in. Can't really be done. What can be done is a cost assigned to the environmental damage any activity charges - that's the best way to protect the environment. Wouldn't even need any laws, the market would act as regulator.

Perhaps Dr. Caleb should be required to put his last night's dinner in the same condition he received it before he puts it back in the environment.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Perhaps Dr. Caleb should be required to put his last night's dinner in the same condition he received it before he puts it back in the environment.

Well millions of animals don't, and the world has developed ways of creating more dinners from those digested ones. If we would only shit in harmony with the environment, it wouldn't be a problem. Driving a car tho, for example, is a different story.

[Dragom]

How about they disclose what they have, so we know what we're talking about and then we can see if we should try to engage in a homosexual orgy of environmental awareness with China?

[BartSimpson]

As if China would care.

[desertdude]

Well if you think developing nations are going to do anything then your wrong. Its now their chance to develop and grow and no tree hugger is going to tell them that you can't have your indutries and factories.

[Pseudonym]

A lot of environmental regulations that developed nations can handle end up harming less well-off peoples. What's that? We got rid of malaria? Time to ban DDT and screw everyone else.