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US child faces life without parole for crime @ age 11


Business | 208764 hits | Jan 26 12:43 am | Posted by: BeaverFever
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Unless the lawyers for Jordan Brown who is now aged 13, can convince the judges to change tack, he will be tried in adult court and if convicted will serve an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole. He would become the youngest child in US histo

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  1. by avatar BeaverFever
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:58 am
    sorry need to highlight some fucked up things here:

    The US is the only country where juveniles are serving life imprisonment without parole under the so-called "life means life" policy. Only the US and Somalia have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which rules out life sentences with no chance of release for crimes committed before the age of 18.

    Brown allegedly carried out the killing using his own hunting rifle, a shotgun designed specifically for children.

    But that still leaves about 2,400 prisoners facing permanent imprisonment for homicides committed when they were children.

  2. by avatar atethepaint
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:12 am
    "BeaverFever" said
    sorry need to highlight some fucked up things here:

    The US is the only country where juveniles are serving life imprisonment without parole under the so-called "life means life" policy. Only the US and Somalia have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which rules out life sentences with no chance of release for crimes committed before the age of 18.

    Brown allegedly carried out the killing using his own hunting rifle, a shotgun designed specifically for children.

    But that still leaves about 2,400 prisoners facing permanent imprisonment for homicides committed when they were children.


    Touche. I thought the same thing.

  3. by avatar PostFactum
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:32 am
    And what do they think will grow up from that. "Designed for children"- for the son of Hitman maybe.

  4. by avatar Gunnair  Gold Member
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:58 pm
    Wonder if prison has spongebob sheets?

    Have fun, kid, if you're guilty, you deserve it.

  5. by avatar hurley_108
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:18 pm
    "Gunnair" said
    Wonder if prison has spongebob sheets?

    Have fun, kid, if you're guilty, you deserve it.


    At 11??? My 12 year-old nephew barely has (as in sometimes he doesn't) the maturity to not bang his knife and fork on the table at family dinners, and you expect someone younger than that to have the maturity to comprehend the finality and consequences of death? Not likely.

  6. by avatar bootlegga
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:55 pm
    I have no problem with punishing the kid, but life in prison without parole. Seems ridiculous to me.

    As Monty Burns once said, "Oh how I love America and its hysterical fear of crime that it allows for a child to be tried as an adult" :lol:

  7. by avatar DrCaleb
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:48 pm

  8. by avatar hurley_108
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:18 pm
    "bootlegga" said
    I have no problem with punishing the kid, but life in prison without parole. Seems ridiculous to me.


    Oh I agree. I don't think they should just say, "oh, well you're 11 so don't do it again and run along now." I wonder what would happen in Canada? I think YCJA kicks in at 12? There definitely needs to be some serious consequence for killing even if the killer is young, but "life is life" life imprisonment is, as you say, ridiculous.

    As Monty Burns once said, "Oh how I love America and its hysterical fear of crime that it allows for a child to be tried as an adult" :lol:


    Everything in life can be answered with a Simspons quote. :)

  9. by avatar andyt
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:28 pm
    The problem with what we do currently, send them to juvie, is that it just hardens the kid and makes him a better criminal. So if there was any chance he would reform, it's lessened by putting him in juvie for 3 years, which is the max you can give someone sentenced as a minor. So we need to reform the prison system if we don't just want to release tougher criminals on the streets.

    OTOH, Wayne Glowaki, who helped kill Reena Virk, did his ten years (adult sentence max for underage) and seems to have reformed himself. He's made peace with Virk's family and is speaking in schools about what he did. So it can be done.

    Gunnair - why not just execute him if you feel an 11 year old is totally responsible for his actions?

  10. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:51 pm
    If you're old enough to commit a premeditated multiple murder then you're old enough to spend the rest of your life contemplating that act. By the way, while the sentencing is automatic, there is nothing in US law that precludes a state governor or the President from granting clemency in the future if the kid truly reforms. Otherwise, I'd say he's going to be in a place where society will be safe from him.

  11. by avatar andyt
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:54 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    If you're old enough to commit a premeditated multiple murder then you're old enough to spend the rest of your life contemplating that act.


    Are you saying this kid is unusually mature? If you're old enough to spend the rest of your life contemplating you acts, why aren't you old enough to drive a car, get married, get a job, take out a mortgage, or vote?

  12. by avatar hurley_108
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:58 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    If you're old enough to commit a premeditated multiple murder then you're old enough to spend the rest of your life contemplating that act.


    As Andy said, why not just execute him?

  13. by avatar Yogi
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:28 pm
    No secret that I am one of the Hang'em high crowd! But I am in a quandry about this one. No question that the kid's mind is seriously twisted. I'm not so sure about execution here. But I am sure that the answer is not to put him into a reform 'school' with A 'Dr. Spock' type shrink either. The authorities go ahead with the 'plan' that they have in mind for this kid until/unless someone comes up with a better solution.

  14. by avatar andyt
    Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:35 pm
    Illinois Legislature votes to abolish death penalty




    The Illinois Legislature today sent Gov. Pat Quinn a bill to abolish the state's death penalty, which has been frozen through 10 years and three governors due to the exonerations of more than a dozen death row inmates.
    ``We're human beings--we err,'' said state Sen. Kwame Raoul, D-Chicago, summing up the central argument of proponents. ``This is an area where we can't afford not to be perfect.''



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