VW to recall 8.5 million cars in Europe

Ooops, so much for a 'voluntary' recall that no one would go to.

I've seen some good deals on used Jetta TDI's lately.

If you don't give a shit about polluting and the govt doesn't force you to change the system they would be a good buy.

Here's Consumer Reports testing them in cheat mode on the road: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/vide ... 837400001/

That's the difference with a mandatory recall.

3 - 4 mpg would be enough to keep lots of people away from the dealers.

If you're a fan of diesel cars they're still a good buy.

That's the difference with a mandatory recall.

3 - 4 mpg would be enough to keep lots of people away from the dealers.

3-4 mpg is just a pipe dream anyway. The Automakers test their vehicles in ideal conditions on a dynamometer in a clean room with every possible non essential piece of equipment removed or not installed to reduce weight.

Anyone stupid enough to buy a vehicle and believe that they'll get the same mileage as listed on the build sheet should be signing up for an opportunity to purchase that bridge in Brooklyn.

So really, the 3-4 mpg difference should only keep the extremely dense people away from the dealerships and Volkswagen will keep getting the same scarf wearing, Birkenstock shod, upwardly mobile, save the planet, types whose grand parents claim to have driven a 63, 6 window VW Van full of horny hippie chicks to Woodstock while listening to Canned Heat playing Going Up the Country on an 8 track tape deck.

Applying logic here, it's about relative mileage. Ie none of the car makers will likely get the mileage claimed by the tests - there was a big fuss about Kia not coming close to claimed mileage. But you can still use the claimed mileage as a reference between car makers. Unless you're saying that VW is lying less than other auto makers?

Anyway, it was nice to you to say that the scarf wearing..... are not dense. I have 2 pairs of Birkenstocks, (one to wear with no sox, one with) but no scarves. My first car was a 59 VW, split window, can't remember how many windows total. I wouldn't buy a VW these days because of poor reliability. where does that leave me?

I guess you've lost your leftist edge so you'll probably have to graduate to a Toyota.

If you're a fan of diesel cars they're still a good buy.

I had a 2006 (not covered by this scandal) and the gas mileage was eye-popping, especially on the highway - I could drive to Calgary and use less than a quarter tank of gas! Even driving around the city, it got twice the mileage my Ford Taurus ever did. And it was surprisingly reliable and only needed one major maintenance in the seven years I drove it (dual mass flywheel which the dealer covered under warranty).

I don't know if my experience was the exception or the rule, but it was a great car.

If it's really that good, why did they cheat?

Because the car pollutes like a beast when not in cheat mode - 40 times the NOx emissions I believe.

Ah. No sales allowed in California.

No sales allowed in Europe with that sort of output.