The number of Quebecers who left for other provinces between 1971 and 2015 was almost 600,000 higher than the number of Canadians who came to Quebec during that period, according to a Fraser Institute report.
"The so-called Quebec model might be a failure based on the statistics we've gathered," said Labrie, who also works as a public policy consultant in Montreal.
"(Canadians) just don't want to come to Quebec and the province's model is not being replicated in other jurisdictions. It's definitely not a success story."
Quelle surprise. Why would an Anglophone move to a place where they'll be a second class citizen? And why would anyone who can make something of their life stay in a place where doing so is considered rude?
Don't know if they're still as hostile to Anglos the way they were in the 70's and 80's. The bigger barrier would be how goddamn expensive it is to live there. The amount of social spending and anti-business taxes is insane. That's basically what killed the Montreal Expos back in the day. No matter how good the team management was in putting together a competitor the real big-name MLB players didn't want to go there because they'd end up losing over half of their salary to Canadian/Quebec taxes.
I was one of them. My brother and sister were two more ... and my parents were two more and my classmates were dozens more and all of their family and friends were thousands more ...
The Nords/Avalanche were better off for it because they ended up Joe Sakic and a couple of Stanley Cups out of the deal once the Lindros-to-Philly deal was completed. Lindros was semi-interesting for a while but really only became noticeable for two things. One, how completely obnoxious his parents were as they "managed" him and thoroughly pissed off every team that signed him, and two, ending up with every concussion possible that a player could get.
"BartSimpson" said Quelle surprise. Why would an Anglophone move to a place where they'll be a second class citizen? And why would anyone who can make something of their life stay in a place where doing so is considered rude?
Many Francophones have wondered the same thing about other provinces, given the historic repression of French in those places. Not to mention that Francophone Quebecers didn't always have things as easy one might assume in Quebec-in 1970, they made over $1,600/year less than Anglophone Quebcers. By 2000, after Bill 101 had been passed, the two groups were pretty much on par.
"JaredMilne" said Quelle surprise. Why would an Anglophone move to a place where they'll be a second class citizen? And why would anyone who can make something of their life stay in a place where doing so is considered rude?
Many Francophones have wondered the same thing about other provinces, given the historic repression of French in those places. Not to mention that Francophone Quebecers didn't always have things as easy one might assume in Quebec-in 1970, they made over $1,600/year less than Anglophone Quebcers. By 2000, after Bill 101 had been passed, the two groups were pretty much on par. They were held back by their church and insular culture more than by any lsrgely imaginary English Cabal. I was there. I am sixty, now and I have lived half of my life in Quebec. It is not a mystery to me. The shabby treatment of Francophones in some parts of Canada does not excuse the inherent fascism behind the Sovereigntist movement. The Societe St Jean Baptiste has a great deal in common with the Spanish phalange.
They were held back by their church and insular culture more than by any lsrgely imaginary English Cabal. I was there. I am sixty, now and I have lived half of my life in Quebec. It is not a mystery to me. The shabby treatment of Francophones in some parts of Canada does not excuse the inherent fascism behind the Sovereigntist movement. The Societe St Jean Baptiste has a great deal in common with the Spanish phalange.
No, the shabby treatment of Francophones elsewhere in Canada doesn't excuse the shit that some of the more radical separatists have done. However, it does come from the same malign root as the attempts to repress French in other parts of Canada-namely the refusal to recognize the rights of the language minority, and insist on language "purity"-and led right into the actions of the radical FLQ-types.
As for the insular culture thing, writers like Claude Couture have discussed how Duplessis wasn't as necessarily different from other provincial premiers like Bill Bennett in B.C. or Ernest Manning in Alberta. In Alberta, Ernest Manning never disguised his own religious affiliations, and he ran Alberta for 25 years. Will Ferguson noted how Ontario's Mitch Hepburn could be a vicious bastard when dealing with strikers too. Hell, Ferguson even credited Duplessis for steadily weakening the Church's power in Quebec, and for building up the surpluses that Lesage and his successors used to finance the Quiet Revolution.
They were held back by their church and insular culture more than by any lsrgely imaginary English Cabal. I was there. I am sixty, now and I have lived half of my life in Quebec. It is not a mystery to me. The shabby treatment of Francophones in some parts of Canada does not excuse the inherent fascism behind the Sovereigntist movement. The Societe St Jean Baptiste has a great deal in common with the Spanish phalange.
No, the shabby treatment of Francophones elsewhere in Canada doesn't excuse the shit that some of the more radical separatists have done. However, it does come from the same malign root as the attempts to repress French in other parts of Canada-namely the refusal to recognize the rights of the language minority, and insist on language "purity"-and led right into the actions of the radical FLQ-types.
As for the insular culture thing, writers like Claude Couture have discussed how Duplessis wasn't as necessarily different from other provincial premiers like Bill Bennett in B.C. or Ernest Manning in Alberta. In Alberta, Ernest Manning never disguised his own religious affiliations, and he ran Alberta for 25 years. Will Ferguson noted how Ontario's Mitch Hepburn could be a vicious bastard when dealing with strikers too. Hell, Ferguson even credited Duplessis for steadily weakening the Church's power in Quebec, and for building up the surpluses that Lesage and his successors used to finance the Quiet Revolution. I can't disagree with a lot of that. Individual Quebecois and Anglo-Canadians are mostly responsible for the two solitudes by being parochial bumpkins.
"(Canadians) just don't want to come to Quebec and the province's model is not being replicated in other jurisdictions. It's definitely not a success story."
and the province's model is not being replicated in other jurisdictions. It's definitely not a success story."
I'm sure the Atlantic provinces have lost tons of people as well.
Ethnic cleansing ...
But then again even Prince fucking George is a step up from here.
The biggest B***h to leave Quebec.
Quelle surprise. Why would an Anglophone move to a place where they'll be a second class citizen? And why would anyone who can make something of their life stay in a place where doing so is considered rude?
Many Francophones have wondered the same thing about other provinces, given the historic repression of French in those places. Not to mention that Francophone Quebecers didn't always have things as easy one might assume in Quebec-in 1970, they made over $1,600/year less than Anglophone Quebcers. By 2000, after Bill 101 had been passed, the two groups were pretty much on par.
Quelle surprise. Why would an Anglophone move to a place where they'll be a second class citizen? And why would anyone who can make something of their life stay in a place where doing so is considered rude?
Many Francophones have wondered the same thing about other provinces, given the historic repression of French in those places. Not to mention that Francophone Quebecers didn't always have things as easy one might assume in Quebec-in 1970, they made over $1,600/year less than Anglophone Quebcers. By 2000, after Bill 101 had been passed, the two groups were pretty much on par.
They were held back by their church and insular culture more than by any lsrgely imaginary English Cabal. I was there. I am sixty, now and I have lived half of my life in Quebec. It is not a mystery to me. The shabby treatment of Francophones in some parts of Canada does not excuse the inherent fascism behind the Sovereigntist movement. The Societe St Jean Baptiste has a great deal in common with the Spanish phalange.
They were held back by their church and insular culture more than by any lsrgely imaginary English Cabal. I was there. I am sixty, now and I have lived half of my life in Quebec. It is not a mystery to me. The shabby treatment of Francophones in some parts of Canada does not excuse the inherent fascism behind the Sovereigntist movement. The Societe St Jean Baptiste has a great deal in common with the Spanish phalange.
No, the shabby treatment of Francophones elsewhere in Canada doesn't excuse the shit that some of the more radical separatists have done. However, it does come from the same malign root as the attempts to repress French in other parts of Canada-namely the refusal to recognize the rights of the language minority, and insist on language "purity"-and led right into the actions of the radical FLQ-types.
As for the insular culture thing, writers like Claude Couture have discussed how Duplessis wasn't as necessarily different from other provincial premiers like Bill Bennett in B.C. or Ernest Manning in Alberta. In Alberta, Ernest Manning never disguised his own religious affiliations, and he ran Alberta for 25 years. Will Ferguson noted how Ontario's Mitch Hepburn could be a vicious bastard when dealing with strikers too. Hell, Ferguson even credited Duplessis for steadily weakening the Church's power in Quebec, and for building up the surpluses that Lesage and his successors used to finance the Quiet Revolution.
They were held back by their church and insular culture more than by any lsrgely imaginary English Cabal. I was there. I am sixty, now and I have lived half of my life in Quebec. It is not a mystery to me. The shabby treatment of Francophones in some parts of Canada does not excuse the inherent fascism behind the Sovereigntist movement. The Societe St Jean Baptiste has a great deal in common with the Spanish phalange.
No, the shabby treatment of Francophones elsewhere in Canada doesn't excuse the shit that some of the more radical separatists have done. However, it does come from the same malign root as the attempts to repress French in other parts of Canada-namely the refusal to recognize the rights of the language minority, and insist on language "purity"-and led right into the actions of the radical FLQ-types.
As for the insular culture thing, writers like Claude Couture have discussed how Duplessis wasn't as necessarily different from other provincial premiers like Bill Bennett in B.C. or Ernest Manning in Alberta. In Alberta, Ernest Manning never disguised his own religious affiliations, and he ran Alberta for 25 years. Will Ferguson noted how Ontario's Mitch Hepburn could be a vicious bastard when dealing with strikers too. Hell, Ferguson even credited Duplessis for steadily weakening the Church's power in Quebec, and for building up the surpluses that Lesage and his successors used to finance the Quiet Revolution.
I can't disagree with a lot of that. Individual Quebecois and Anglo-Canadians are mostly responsible for the two solitudes by being parochial bumpkins.