[ShepherdsDog]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ining.html

Doesn't set a great precedent

[jj2424]

Harper's puppets must have been paid off by the mine's CEO.

[saturn_656]

jj2424 jj2424:

Harper's puppets must have been paid off by the mine's CEO.

Courts march to the beat of their own drum, for better or worse.

[Brenda]

Well, I just learned that "just because you can, you should" take advantage of any loopholes you can find, so I don't see the big deal here. Hire Chinese workers when you can, right? As cheap as possible. I mean, it is legal.

Or is it now that it is affecting Canada, it is a problem?
[/sarcasm]

[Zipperfish]

Well, on the plus side, another nail in the coffin for Harper. Screwing the Canadian worker so he can reward his corporate buddies. This will turn rural Conservatvies against him as well.

Sucks for Canada though.

[saturn_656]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, on the plus side, another nail in the coffin for Harper. Screwing the Canadian worker so he can reward his corporate buddies. This will turn rural Conservatvies against him as well.

Sucks for Canada though.

You must have missed the bit where the case was dismissed by a Federal Court judge, not anyone in the elected government.

Put the blame where it belongs.

[jj2424]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, on the plus side, another nail in the coffin for Harper. Screwing the Canadian worker so he can reward his corporate buddies. This will turn rural Conservatvies against him as well.

Sucks for Canada though.

You must have missed the bit where the case was dismissed by a Federal Court judge, not anyone in the elected government.

Put the blame where it belongs.

But but..the judges are all Harper's puppets.

[andyt]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, on the plus side, another nail in the coffin for Harper. Screwing the Canadian worker so he can reward his corporate buddies. This will turn rural Conservatvies against him as well.

Sucks for Canada though.

You must have missed the bit where the case was dismissed by a Federal Court judge, not anyone in the elected government.

Put the blame where it belongs.

The blame belongs to Harper and Christie Clark. Harper for setting up the temp worker program that makes it so easy to screw Canadians out of jobs. Clark for not insisting that for the project to go ahead they train Canadians for the job if that's what's required. They had 10 years lead time on this to do so. But the training aspect was bullshit anyway, same as with those Indian IT workers we read about that supposedly needed all those special skills, when in truth they didn't have them and didn't need them. This mess didn't revolve around the court case, that was just the union trying to find a way to stop it.

As for the court's findings, we read on this forum about how limited the federel employees are in what they can assess about a temp worker application and how if they ask too many questions instead of rubber stamping it they are disciplined or fired. They can't even assess the skills of the people being brought in. The court didn't set up that situation, the Harper government did. I sure hope that Zip's right that conservatives will turn against Harper on this, but from what we see on this forum, I doubt it. As long as it doesn't affect them, who cares.

[Zipperfish]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

You must have missed the bit where the case was dismissed by a Federal Court judge, not anyone in the elected government.

Put the blame where it belongs.

I did put the blame where it belongs--with the government that expanded this program to its present proportions. That has made it easy for companies to import cheap workers from overseas rather than supply jobs to Canadians.

All the court said was that the officer involved did his job according to the law. The law is established by the government, not the courts.

It sucks for Canadian workers, but the plus side is that it makes this government very vulnerable--and vulnerable on a demographic that usually goes Conservative.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

[ I sure hope that Zip's right that conservatives will turn against Harper on this, but from what we see on this forum, I doubt it. As long as it doesn't affect them, who cares.

That's pretty much the Conservative ethos summed up right there, isn't it?

Look at Harper throwing everyone under the bus right now to keep the heat off of him.

[Thanos]

I suppose the NDP solution to a worker shortage would have been far more interesting. Just start screaming "environment! environment!" over and over again and then work as hard as possible at shutting the industries that needed the foreign workers down altogether. The Liberal solution would have been to just delete the "temporary" part from the description and grant the foreigners full citizenship on arrival, whether or not the requirements of the job they were filling would indicate it. Either way Canadians would still have ended up out of work, either from a NDP government relentlessly attacking the industries that employed them or the Liberals shoring up their immigrant/new citizen voter base by favouring them over native-born Canadians.

PS: Harper = Hitler, and not the fun, gay, mincing, and dancing type of Hitler either.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

I suppose the NDP solution to a worker shortage would have been far more interesting. Just start screaming "environment! environment!" over and over again and then work as hard as possible at shutting the industries that needed the foreign workers down altogether. The Liberal solution would have been to just delete the "temporary" part from the description and grant the foreigners full citizenship on arrival, whether or not the requirements of the job they were filling would indicate it. Either way Canadians would still have ended up out of work, either from a NDP government relentlessly attacking the industries that employed them or the Liberals shoring up their immigrant/new citizen voter base by favouring them over native-born Canadians.

PS: Harper = Hitler, and not the fun, gay, mincing, and dancing type of Hitler either.

Interesting hypothetical situations. But we're faced with a real situation of importing temporary workers to replace Canadian ones.

(Although it is funny, during the bank IT foreign worker scandal that they disguised the voices and faces of the "Canadian" workers who had been replaced and a lot of them had pretty strong East Indian accents.)

This one is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. It stinks. People know it stinks. And they know they are being fed a steaming pile of BS by the government and the company.

[Xort]

andyt andyt:

The blame belongs to Harper and Christie Clark. Harper for setting up the temp worker program that makes it so easy to screw Canadians out of jobs.

Doesn't the TFWP predate the current government by a fair amount? And didn't the current government place greater restrictions on it a few years ago, and again a few weeks ago?

$1:

Clark for not insisting that for the project to go ahead they train Canadians for the job if that's what's required. They had 10 years lead time on this to do so.

Well the problem was training Canadian coal miners to speak Mandarin.

$1:

The court didn't set up that situation, the Harper government did.

Your bias is showing again.

[Zipperfish]

Xort Xort:

Doesn't the TFWP predate the current government by a fair amount? And didn't the current government place greater restrictions on it a few years ago, and again a few weeks ago?

Migrant worker government programs has been around since 1973. It was expanded under the current govermment, tripling the number of foreign workers. A number of steps were taken to increase access to the program, such as including lower-skilled occupations, and allowing TFW to make up to 15% less than equivalent Canaidan workers. In practice, it has shifted from becoming a tool to address short-term labour shortages in skilled jobs to larger labour market resource.

Following the recent scandal involving bank IT workers, the Conservatives committed to addressing some issues with the program.

[Xort]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Migrant worker government programs has been around since 1973. It was expanded under the current govermment, tripling the number of foreign workers.

What year was it expanded? Was a bill passed to change this? Do you have a link to maybe a history or overview of it?