[grainfedprairieboy]

DerbyX

Spare me your lieberal brand of self-righteous indignation. Decreasing birthrates throughout the Western world are no justification for the overtly anti-family policies of successive Canadian governments over the past 35-40 years. What left-wing governments of Europe formulate for domestic policy should have no bearing on the political direction of Canada. Furthermore, to imply that the Conservatives are any different, particularly the Mulroney Conservatives, is a misnomer. Government needs to back off and leave parents to raise, educate and discipline their children in the manner they feel will most successfully produce the next generation.

Additionally, you lieberals need to get over the Mulroney years and stop utilizing it as an excuse for the current level of dishonesty and mismanagement which characterize virtually all policies of the current government.

As for abortion, a separate debate, I simply present the facts. Facts are not propaganda however, your hysterical rhetoric would certainly be classified as such.

[UnderToe]

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As for abortion, a separate debate, I simply present the facts. Facts are not propaganda however, your hysterical rhetoric would certainly be classified as such.

This statement simply cannot go unchallenged. I followed the link you put to these "facts", just to see, and I could hardly believe you would sacrifice your credibility in such a laughable way. The "BC report"?? Come on, dude. The title of that article, "Kill it to be safe", is in quotes as if that was an instruction given to a nurse or something, but is not referred to in the article (because that obviously didn't happen).

What's in that grain you've been fed?

[DerbyX]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

DerbyX

Spare me your lieberal brand of self-righteous indignation. Decreasing birthrates throughout the Western world are no justification for the overtly anti-family policies of successive Canadian governments over the past 35-40 years. What left-wing governments of Europe formulate for domestic policy should have no bearing on the political direction of Canada. Furthermore, to imply that the Conservatives are any different, particularly the Mulroney Conservatives, is a misnomer. Government needs to back off and leave parents to raise, educate and discipline their children in the manner they feel will most successfully produce the next generation.

Additionally, you lieberals need to get over the Mulroney years and stop utilizing it as an excuse for the current level of dishonesty and mismanagement which characterize virtually all policies of the current government.

As for abortion, a separate debate, I simply present the facts. Facts are not propaganda however, your hysterical rhetoric would certainly be classified as such.

Keep crying, keep crying. People like bitch left and right about "liberal social programs" and then scream that the gov't should be funding everyone's children for them? The only propaganda here is the continual anti-liberal hate rhetoric spewing from misinformed idiots like yourself who seek only to lay blame for every thing at the liberals feet. There has been identical birth rate declines in all western countries, are our liberals to blame as well. People nowadays don't want to have 6-10 kids like our grandparents did. I don't, my friends don't and I'm willing to bet you and your friends don't. That is the major factor, not anti-family legislation which is just bullshit and certainly not abortion. We've had that debate and the anti-abortionist lost.

I only blame the PC gov't for what it did, namely a massive fed debt and the problems associated with it.

Governments need to back off and let parents raise & educate their kids as they see fit eh? I guess that means they shouldn't be subsidizing them because that would be interfering. Tell me genius, how exactly are the liberals interfering with families today? Now tell me how our child welfare agencies differ from thoseof the US, UK, and AUS? Go on genius.

Your abortion facts are taken directly from pro-life propaganda sites. Pro-lifers are well known for their dishonest tactics and deliberate mis-information such as having their people pretend to be "unbiased" counselors who on the pretense of "advising" someone of their options, get them alone and scream at them with "if you kill your baby you will burn in hell!". A seperate debate to be sure, but one which you will lose because in the end its the womens choice period.

[hwacker]

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its the womens choice period.

Choice >>>> “Lack of Responsibility”<<<< your 1000% right.

[grainfedprairieboy]

DarbyX DarbyX:

Keep crying, keep crying. People like bitch left and right about "liberal social programs" and then scream that the gov't should be funding everyone's children for them?

I concede that the loudest voices your Libranos hear come from Ont/Que where government support is pretty standard fare. However, in most of the ROC we just want the lieberals to take their social programs and corresponding high taxation and let families do the job themselves. I thought I had made this more than clear.

DarbyX DarbyX:

The only propaganda here is the continual anti-liberal hate rhetoric spewing from misinformed idiots like yourself who seek only to lay blame for every thing at the liberals feet.

I understand your frustration here. As you go through the 5 steps of lieberal denial your obviously in the anger stage. Hang in there buddy.

DarbyX DarbyX:

There has been identical birth rate declines in all western countries, are our liberals to blame as well.

No, their lieberals probably are.

DarbyX DarbyX:

People nowadays don't want to have 6-10 kids like our grandparents did. I don't, my friends don't and I'm willing to bet you and your friends don't.

You would lose that bet. I am on child 4 and hope to see an additional 2-3 over the next 5 years. (Unfortunately all girls) I recognize that I am in a minority but ask yourself this: Do you not have more than the average amount of children because you cannot afford it financially or are you emotionally incapable?

DarbyX DarbyX:

We've had that debate and the anti-abortionist lost.

I won you lost case closed. Wow, you are an intellectual heavyweight.

Here is how a lieberal debate works and you can apply this to your lieberal grassroots self all the way to the national level; The target-topic is selected/very brief period for rebuttal is tolerated/pre-determined ruling is levied in spite of overwhelming opposition/future debate or questioning is frowned upon as topic is now deemed closed!/any serious dissent is vehemently attacked using strong language/victim is then ostracized and/or penalized if possible

DarbyX DarbyX:

I only blame the PC gov't for what it did, namely a massive fed debt and the problems associated with it.

PC/Lieberal/Bloc/NDP – In every thread you blame the PC of Mulroney. Get over it. Besides, I might take you more seriously if you would answer my oft repeated question of:

What did the PCs do that the Libranos couldn’t have undone? Child sex laws? NAFTA? GST lol

DarbyX DarbyX:

Governments need to back off and let parents raise & educate their kids as they see fit eh? I guess that means they shouldn't be subsidizing them because that would be interfering.

Hello, do we have a breakthrough here? Yes Yes YES!

DarbyX DarbyX:

Tell me genius, how exactly are the liberals interfering with families today? Now tell me how our child welfare agencies differ from thoseof the US, UK, and AUS? Go on genius.

If you have children that should be self-explanatory, if your childless ask someone with kids. There is only so much I can educate you at a time.

DarbyX DarbyX:

Your abortion facts are taken directly from pro-life propaganda sites.

As an honourable debater I concede that you would not likely accept a media source that does not meet with your approval.

DarbyX DarbyX:

Pro-lifers are well known for their dishonest tactics and deliberate mis-information such as having their people pretend to be "unbiased" counselors who on the pretense of "advising" someone of their options, get them alone and scream at them with "if you kill your baby you will burn in hell!".

And then you have the audacity to accuse me of “propaganda’ Classic hypocritical DerbyX.

DarbyX DarbyX:

A seperate debate to be sure, but one which you will lose because in the end its the womens choice period.

I won’t go into the nuances nor will I claim that I will win. My mind is open to all rational arguments. Your hysterical hyperbole is obviously rooted in the win at all cost characterized by intolerant lieberal extremists.

[Toro]

Soooo, where is the talk about sex then? Or at least whose sexier?

I say Americans. They're not wrapped up in parkas 6 months of the year.

[grainfedprairieboy]

I'll go with the Canadian girls, their not wrapped up in fat every month of the year. lol

Sorry, everywhere I go in America I see some of the largest people I've ever encountered.

[Toro]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

I'll go with the Canadian girls, their not wrapped up in fat every month of the year. lol

Sorry, everywhere I go in America I see some of the largest people I've ever encountered.

Stay away from Memphis!

[grainfedprairieboy]

From my travels as a young man I've gleaned:

Best looking slimest girls on the planet: Croatia
Most Sexually Agressive: Israeli
Most Sexually Adventerous: German
Most Introverted: Canadian
Most Extroverted: French
Best Teasers: American
Best Dressers: Italian
Sexiest Accent: French
Most Annoying Accent: Australian
Best Educated: British

[Ruxpercnd]

I have always been fascinated by the fact that even the biggest, fattest, ugliest women can get themselves pregnant. Simply incredible. See, American men don't pass up any possiblities.

I think you Canadians must be too picky!

American men are so studly, that they would hump a fence post!

Yes, we are incredibly sexy! Americans get the job done!

[Optinum]

one word: Montréal !

[deneb]

Americans sexy? Holy crap... no!

[Ruxpercnd]

Errrr.. Where in Europe is that?

[GhostDog3]

I think Canadian chicks ar sexier.I havent been in the United States but from what i have seen they half look nice.

[DerbyX]

braindeadprairietoy

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I concede that the loudest voices your Libranos hear come from Ont/Que where government support is pretty standard fare. However, in most of the ROC we just want the lieberals to take their social programs and corresponding high taxation and let families do the job themselves. I thought I had made this more than clear.

Yes, and the liberals are ther only gov't in the world that uses taxes. Only in Alberta are people crying with the same rhetoric as you. Much of Quebec wants greater social programs designed to help parents, ie gov't provided day-care which the liberals were slammed for not implementing by "family groups". It seems that the people don't want the gov't to just "butt out" of child care eh?

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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I understand your frustration here. As you go through the 5 steps of lieberal denial your obviously in the anger stage. Hang in there buddy.

Considering the vast amounts of western misinformation & pro-life propanganda you spout, denial is your home address.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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No, their lieberals probably are.

Spoken like the true bigot you are. Liberal minded people throughout the western world are solely responsible for declining birth rates eh? I guess you don't need to buy a "ghost" costume for halloween eh?

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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You would lose that bet. I am on child 4 and hope to see an additional 2-3 over the next 5 years. (Unfortunately all girls) I recognize that I am in a minority but ask yourself this: Do you not have more than the average amount of children because you cannot afford it financially or are you emotionally incapable?

I so glad you and your sister like big families. I'm sorry you are probably legally married now so I'll have to call her your wife. Keep em barefoot & pregnant eh? If you knew any facts at all you would understand that women since the 60's have decided they want more out of life then being a fetal factory. They have been pursuing careers and dreams while putting off families to a later date. Many families have decided they don't want extremely large families, not that they can't. Many families are quite happy with the 1 boy 1 girl type scenario. My grandparents had 11 & 7 kids respectively and their kids all had 3-4 kids and only 1 cousin has 4 kids and my sister has 4. None of them blame the gov't for preventing them from having more kids then they wanted. An increased generation time & decreased # of progeny, all outside of gov't interference are the major factors involved in declining birthrate. I guess all those really wealthy families that have only 1 or 2 children do so because ...... they can't afford it under liberal policies? It takes real effort to be as backward as you are. You should be commended for that accomplishment.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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I won you lost case closed. Wow, you are an intellectual heavyweight.

Here is how a lieberal debate works and you can apply this to your lieberal grassroots self all the way to the national level; The target-topic is selected/very brief period for rebuttal is tolerated/pre-determined ruling is levied in spite of overwhelming opposition/future debate or questioning is frowned upon as topic is now deemed closed!/any serious dissent is vehemently attacked using strong language/victim is then ostracized and/or penalized if possible

You always seem to be the prime example in your own points eh?

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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PC/Lieberal/Bloc/NDP – In every thread you blame the PC of Mulroney. Get over it. Besides, I might take you more seriously if you would answer my oft repeated question of:

What did the PCs do that the Libranos couldn’t have undone? Child sex laws? NAFTA? GST lol

If you took your head out of your ass long enough to read you will see that my PC blame is based on their fed debt accumulation which I backed up with evidence to show it was entirely their fault. You on the other hand continually insult all liberals and blame them for everything and conviently lump the PC gov't in with them as you wash your hands of the gov't which AB supported & voted in. Its pretty easy when all you do is wash your hands of your own failures yet hold everyone else accountable for any perceived failures as a whole.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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DarbyX wrote:
Governments need to back off and let parents raise & educate their kids as they see fit eh? I guess that means they shouldn't be subsidizing them because that would be interfering.


Hello, do we have a breakthrough here? Yes Yes YES!

Then explain why the libs got blasted for not being "family-friendly" for withholding the very service you say is "interference". BTW, I've already said that I don't think the gov't should fund omni day-care but you seem to obtuse to see that.

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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DarbyX wrote:
Tell me genius, how exactly are the liberals interfering with families today? Now tell me how our child welfare agencies differ from thoseof the US, UK, and AUS? Go on genius.


If you have children that should be self-explanatory, if your childless ask someone with kids. There is only so much I can educate you at a time.

The only ones being educated are the forum to your obvious ignorance. I've dealt with large families my entire life. Not once have my family blamed the gov't for "interference" and let me tell you some of them blame the gov't for a lot. Like many of your ilk you aren't intelligent enough to offer solutions so you alternate between telling the gov't to "butt out" and blaming them for not "coming to your aid when you need it".

braindeadprairietoy wrote:

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DarbyX wrote:
Your abortion facts are taken directly from pro-life propaganda sites.


As an honourable debater I concede that you would not likely accept a media source that does not meet with your approval.

DarbyX wrote:
Pro-lifers are well known for their dishonest tactics and deliberate mis-information such as having their people pretend to be "unbiased" counselors who on the pretense of "advising" someone of their options, get them alone and scream at them with "if you kill your baby you will burn in hell!".


And then you have the audacity to accuse me of “propaganda’ Classic hypocritical DerbyX.

DarbyX wrote:
A seperate debate to be sure, but one which you will lose because in the end its the womens choice period.


I won’t go into the nuances nor will I claim that I will win. My mind is open to all rational arguments. Your hysterical hyperbole is obviously rooted in the win at all cost characterized by intolerant lieberal extremists.

Intolerant eh? You are the screaming "liebrals" at every turn. Yours is nothing but propaganda. Blaming abortion for a declining birthrate is nothing but pro-life propaganda. I've already mentioned the declining children per family & increased generation time which you blame on "liberal policies". You agree that it isn't abortion when you blame "liberal policies" for forcing smaller families. I guess it never really occurred to you that women might choose to have smaller families eh? Just becasue your sister, ooops, wife doesn't mind have 6 inbreds doesn't mean everyone does. I bet you blame the liberals and "liberal" attitutes for women wanting more then just being a traditional homemaker. No doubt you think it is a liberal plot to destroy the family eh? Just like giving them the right to vote eh?

You claim your mind is "open to all rational arguments" yet you show nothing but bigotted hate towards anything liberal or eastern. You are the picture of intolerance and are not in the least bit concerned with facts or reasons as you plug your ears and cry "la la la la the libs are all liars and crooks", then accuse me of that same viewpoint towards the PC's when anyone who can read my posts knows that just isn't so. We've wasted enough of this threads time so I'll start a new thread in the LXD genre. Perhaps in a thread where you can't just toss insults at your opponents will shut that big mouth of yours.