[USA-AOK]

northland northland:

I cant believe people justify healthcare like that. No matter what the age, its still a human being man. The private healthcare isnt all that great. You dont know how good you have it in Canada, trust me.

How much are YOU willing to pay to ensure that this 62 year old walking corpse lives another day?

If the answer isn't $1200/month, why don't you explain why I should help pick up the tab?

[DerbyX]

USA-AOK USA-AOK:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The fear is that once full scale private clinics start up they will suck all medical personnel from the public sector.

That fear is not entirely unfounded. Massive privatization will offer all medical people more money for less work. Who wouldn't go?

Or more likely, greater opportunity in exchange for more work. A way to get ahead without moving south.

Free markets are substantially more efficient than government-run services. Privatizing Canadian health care will result in faster, better, and cheaper service (except for the leeches who don't pay their fair share today).

Gov't run? Not here mate. Our gov't may finance them but al hospitals have top cogs who make the big decisions. They have budgets to follow just like hospital CEO in the US.

The simple fact is that you pay more per capita then we do. In our system, when medical care goes over budget, the cost ends up on the gov't doorstep which is just the taxpayers so it all equals out.

Free markets aren't more efficient or you wouldn't have monopoly and anti-trust laws would you?

[northland]

USA-AOK USA-AOK:

northland northland:

I cant believe people justify healthcare like that. No matter what the age, its still a human being man. The private healthcare isnt all that great. You dont know how good you have it in Canada, trust me.

How much are YOU willing to pay to ensure that this 62 year old walking corpse lives another day?

If the answer isn't $1200/month, why don't you explain why I should help pick up the tab?

Its the government's job to protect AND CARE, for its citizens. Nobody should be left behind when help is needed. In the US the system you favor,this is to often the case.

[USA-AOK]

northland northland:

Its the government's job to protect AND CARE, for its citizens.

No, it's the government's job to protect us from force and fraud.

It is OUR job to provide for ourselves and our loved ones.

If you are too unproductive to take care of yourself, you will not be picking MY pocket to make up the difference.

[Banff]

....and one american spanks a fellow american on CKA

[northland]

Fraud....you mean like the US healthcare system?

[Banff]

I highly doubt many canadians or americans have enough money to worry about whether their pockets are being picked when it comes to somehing larger than most of the richest people .

[Scape]

northland northland:

Fraud....you mean like the US healthcare system?

Americans are no less corrupt than the Russians. They just hide it better.

[SireJoe]

USA-AOK you have absolutely no concept of our system. All you can think of is your own selfish needs and cant for one damn minute think about the big picture. You sound like a little kid trying to speak in a grown up world. Stop being a little bitch and learn something about the good things that Canada offers. Lower health care costs by privatization....you have got to be kidding me. Im all for a properly balanced and regulated private/public system, but the way you talk, you seriously need to learn some things about your country.

[Scape]

USA-AOK USA-AOK:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The fear is that once full scale private clinics start up they will suck all medical personnel from the public sector.

That fear is not entirely unfounded. Massive privatization will offer all medical people more money for less work. Who wouldn't go?

Or more likely, greater opportunity in exchange for more work. A way to get ahead without moving south.

Free markets are substantially more efficient than government-run services. Privatizing Canadian health care will result in faster, better, and cheaper service (except for the leeches who don't pay their fair share today).

Your forgetting the manpower shortage. Next to Mexico we have the highest demand in the world and Japan is after us.

IE the economy is in danger of a recession because of this.

[Banff]

USA AOK wrote -Free markets are substantially more efficient than government-run services. Privatizing Canadian health care will result in faster, better, and cheaper service (except for the leeches who don't pay their fair share today).

.... wrong !, Infact it becomes more expensive and discriminates .
Careful who you call a leach that leach could be your student if you are a teacher or customer who buys your tires if you own a tire shop , in which is who you earn a living from .

[USA-AOK]

Banff Banff:

.... wrong !, Infact it becomes more expensive and discriminates .

It is entirely appropriate to discriminate against people who cannot afford the service.

In the real world, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

[USA-AOK]

SireJoe SireJoe:

USA-AOK you have absolutely no concept of our system. All you can think of is your own selfish needs and cant for one damn minute think about the big picture.

SireJoe you have absolutely no concept of the free market. All you can think of is "gimme gimme gimme" and cant for one damn minute think about who's going to pay the bills for all of the leeches who are too lazy to get a decent job and cover their own expenses.

[Banff]

USA-AOK USA-AOK:

Banff Banff:

.... wrong !, Infact it becomes more expensive and discriminates .

It is entirely appropriate to discriminate against people who cannot afford the service.

In the real world, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

People with money living off of the backs of the poor is a free lunch don't forget the US thrives off of people in third world countries . Without them I'm sure many more americans would be both starving and unable to afford health care . It's ironic middle east countries can question why you sell fuel at the pump for $2.00 a gallon and give them food for it . They say f**k that , just give us the two bucks we will feed ourselves ......and you don't seem to like that arrangement so you find a way to twist things and make them seem like they are getting a free lunch . Could you imagine if Canadian resources stopped you'd have to suck up to Russia (similar sums of resources)and develop their resources which would cost even more (by huge amounts) , unfortunately China has that region pegged out so you're out of luck .

By the way .... if you use any form of a company or private insurance health coverage program you certainly are getting a free lunch .

[USA-AOK]

Banff Banff:

People with money living off of the backs of the poor is a free lunch don't forget the US thrives off of people in third world countries . Without them I'm sure many more americans would be both starving and unable to afford health care .

And without the North American market, most of those countries would have nothing at all. It cuts both ways.

Everybody benefits from trade.

$1:

It's ironic middle east countries can question why you sell fuel at the pump for $2.00 a gallon and give them food for it . They say f**k that , just give us the two bucks we will feed ourselves

Whatever you say Comrade

Out here in the real world you have to trade goods or services for money. It doesn't grow on trees, ya know. If you produce nothing of value for the world, the world owes you exactly $0.

Getting back to the original topic... it is clear that most if not all of the posters arguing for state-run healthcare are thoroughly ignorant of basic economic principles.