[Wullu]

Q-Q Q-Q:

Wullu Wullu:

SprCForr SprCForr:

I'm pretty sure he was refering to the deserter.

Q-Q Q-Q:

What a bunch of rednecks--all brawn, no brains--not a one among the lot of you

What ya think SprC? Must be nice to be as smart as Q-Q? I am somehow very comforted that he considers himself to be superior to us.

Superior? Of course: No roll and definitely no wink.

A redneck doesn't have a brain in his head, thus is incapable of independent thought. A redneck is forever on autopilot spouting off what his pappy spouted and his pappy before him. A redneck is a follower. A redneck is always under the unquestioned influence of others. A redneck is subservient only he's not aware of it. A redneck is macho in his own head. A redneck lacks empathy. A redneck can't afford to let any of his buds think he is weak. A redneck is a pack animal. A redneck seeks revenge and he cares not how it is exacted. A redneck is dangerous to himself and others. A redneck is a neocon's dream. In fact, the neocon can't effect his agenda without the redneck. Unfortunately, the relationship between the two is not symbiotic but parasitic. Fortunately for the neocon, the redneck never ever realizes that he's been had, used, and abused. And more's the pity!


But now you know what I mean when I refer to you and your ilk as "red necks."

And that's my final word--for now.

Wow...not even the most vitriolic of the board members here from either side of the political spectrum is THAT full of themself.

Why do I think that my old signature "Any relationship between education and intelligence is purely coincidental" applys here?

I am having a hard time seeing Derby as a redneck.........

[PluggyRug]

$1:

And that's my final word--for now.

Hoooooo a threat!! Why are we quaking in our collective boots. Oh I know, it's really cold right now.

[Lord-Beaverbrook]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Right about this minute, in a Toronto court room, a cowardly young man by the name of Jeffrey Hinzman is beginning an appeal of his deportation order back to the States.

Hinzman is a former paratrooper (and it pains me to use that hallowed term in relation to this dishonourable coward) who deserted the 82nd Airborne as they were about to head over to Iraq and fled to Canada.

Last year, he applied for refugee status to the Immigration Board claiming he was fleeing an unjust war. He lost and was ordered deported.

Of course this is Canada, and no never means no, so now he's going to launch his first of about 500 appeals through the courts.

He's probably not going to win. But the fact we're even entertaining the possibility is an embarrassment.

This is a fucking disgrace. Send this scaredy-cat American bicycle courier back to the States so he can make his principled stance from inside a cell at Leavenworth.

If you may, please define the word coward, and thereafter inform us how it applies to this person whom rather not into an hostile environment, where people are constantly trying to kill him and his associates. Perhaps this person realizes he has too much to risk to go over and fight for something he does not believe in.

[PluggyRug]

$1:

If you may, please define the word coward, and thereafter inform us how it applies to this person whom rather not into an hostile environment, where people are constantly trying to kill him and his associates. Perhaps this person realizes he has too much to risk to go over and fight for something he does not believe in.

He should have thought of that before he voluntered.

If someone joins an army, it's not a knitting society. Wars are not fought with water pistols.

[Tricks]

Lord-Beaverbrook Lord-Beaverbrook:

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Right about this minute, in a Toronto court room, a cowardly young man by the name of Jeffrey Hinzman is beginning an appeal of his deportation order back to the States.

Hinzman is a former paratrooper (and it pains me to use that hallowed term in relation to this dishonourable coward) who deserted the 82nd Airborne as they were about to head over to Iraq and fled to Canada.

Last year, he applied for refugee status to the Immigration Board claiming he was fleeing an unjust war. He lost and was ordered deported.

Of course this is Canada, and no never means no, so now he's going to launch his first of about 500 appeals through the courts.

He's probably not going to win. But the fact we're even entertaining the possibility is an embarrassment.

This is a fucking disgrace. Send this scaredy-cat American bicycle courier back to the States so he can make his principled stance from inside a cell at Leavenworth.

If you may, please define the word coward, and thereafter inform us how it applies to this person whom rather not into an hostile environment, where people are constantly trying to kill him and his associates. Perhaps this person realizes he has too much to risk to go over and fight for something he does not believe in.

He volunteered. Flat out. It should not matter if someone is shooting at him, he made a commitment and did not hold it. Plain and simple

[Wullu]

Lord-Beaverbrook Lord-Beaverbrook:

If you may, please define the word coward, and thereafter inform us how it applies to this person whom rather not into an hostile environment, where people are constantly trying to kill him and his associates. Perhaps this person realizes he has too much to risk to go over and fight for something he does not believe in.

In this case? He volunteered to join the US Army, he then volunteered to go airborne. He then backed out on both of those commitments, causing someone else to take his place and then did not even have the courage of his own convictions to stay and take the legal consequences he knew would follow.

Three times a coward.

[Motorcycleboy]

Lord-Beaverbrook Lord-Beaverbrook:

If you may, please define the word coward, and thereafter inform us how it applies to this person whom rather not into an hostile environment, where people are constantly trying to kill him and his associates. Perhaps this person realizes he has too much to risk to go over and fight for something he does not believe in.

I would define a "coward" as someone whose willing to put on his country's uniform in order to obtain the benefits, like subsidized college, preference in hiring for a future government job, travel, money, etc, then runs away to Canada when it's time to meet his obligations by going to war. Especially when you consider that someone else is going to have to fill his place.

Don't try to turn this into a debate about the whether the War in Iraq is right or wrong. That's irrelevant. It's not up to a soldier to decide the legitimacy of a war, it's a soldier's job to fight it. Otherwise, everyone in the army could decide to opt out of anything they don't like.

If Hinzman had chosen to really stand up for his principles, he could have refused and spent a year or so in jail. If he'd done that, I'd still consider him a poor excuse for a soldier. But at least I could have given him credit for standing up for his beliefs.

[Wada]

So, if he's a coward Canada should "not" protect him?

[Q-Q]

Tricks Tricks:

Q-Q Q-Q:

Wullu Wullu:

SprCForr SprCForr:

I'm pretty sure he was refering to the deserter.

Q-Q Q-Q:

What a bunch of rednecks--all brawn, no brains--not a one among the lot of you

What ya think SprC? Must be nice to be as smart as Q-Q? I am somehow very comforted that he considers himself to be superior to us.

Superior? Of course: No roll and definitely no wink.

A redneck doesn't have a brain in his head, thus is incapable of independent thought. A redneck is forever on autopilot spouting off what his pappy spouted and his pappy before him. A redneck is a follower. A redneck is always under the unquestioned influence of others. A redneck is subservient only he's not aware of it. A redneck is macho in his own head. A redneck lacks empathy. A redneck can't afford to let any of his buds think he is weak. A redneck is a pack animal. A redneck seeks revenge and he cares not how it is exacted. A redneck is dangerous to himself and others. A redneck is a neocon's dream. In fact, the neocon can't effect his agenda without the redneck. Unfortunately, the relationship between the two is not symbiotic but parasitic. Fortunately for the neocon, the redneck never ever realizes that he's been had, used, and abused. And more's the pity!


But now you know what I mean when I refer to you and your ilk as "red necks."

And that's my final word--for now.

so wait if rednecks are followers and don't think for themselves, and you are calling us rednecks. Then how the fuck could we speak out against current governments? We spoke out against the liberals. We spoke out when we didn't like what was happening, how is that following without a mind?

Well that's easy enough, open your mouth and you're speaking--doesn't mean if you've engaged your noggin'.

[Wullu]

Wada Wada:

So, if he's a coward Canada should "not" protect him?

By George I think he's got it.

[Motorcycleboy]

Q-Q Q-Q:

Well that's easy enough, open your mouth and you're speaking--doesn't mean if you've engaged your noggin'.

I subscribe to the accepted wisdom. That being, one "engages their noggin" when they actually refute or rebut an opinion that contradicts their own.

All you've done so far is come on here with some insults and one line sound bites, trying to goad people into arguments about "red-necks", "neo-cons", and GW.

Try saying something of substance and maybe you'll find people are willing to "engage" you.

Bring it on Q-Q. State an actual opinion and I'll be happy to "engage" you.

[Wada]

Wullu Wullu:

Wada Wada:

So, if he's a coward Canada should "not" protect him?

By George I think he's got it.

You are quick to judge. The fact is I don't get it. Who exactly do Canadian armed services think they are serving if not the rest of the nation and it's inhabitants. I'd be interested to know.

[Wullu]

Wada Wada:

Wullu Wullu:

Wada Wada:

So, if he's a coward Canada should "not" protect him?

By George I think he's got it.

You are quick to judge. The fact is I don't get it. Who exactly do Canadian armed services think they are serving if not the rest of the nation and it's inhabitants. I'd be interested to know.

Exactly, myself and the other 60 odd thousand regulars and reservists serve Canada and Canadians, not a coward from another country who was unwilling to live up to his commitments and then unwilling to face the consequences of his actions. I could at least respect his stance on the war if he had had the courage of his convictions and stayed behind and faced the Court Martial he so richly earned.

And quick to judge? Not at all. I have been serving for 15 years and actually understand what he is doing means to those of us who have volunteered for unlimited liability.

[Shaker]

He's a soldier or he was a soldier, and now he is a coward,we dont need or want his type here in our country. he will probably end up staying here anyways.

[Q-Q]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

Q-Q Q-Q:

Well that's easy enough, open your mouth and you're speaking--doesn't mean if you've engaged your noggin'.

I subscribe to the accepted wisdom. That being, one "engages their noggin" when they actually refute or rebut an opinion that contradicts their own.

All you've done so far is come on here with some insults and one line sound bites, trying to goad people into arguments about "red-necks", "neo-cons", and GW.

Try saying something of substance and maybe you'll find people are willing to "engage" you.

Bring it on Q-Q. State an actual opinion and I'll be happy to "engage" you.

I don't debate anyone who is not inclined to do his or her own research. And the tripe you come up is a clear indication that you have neither the inclination nor the will to learn a thing or two about the "leaders" you so slavisly follow. I'll be damned if I'm going to spin my wheels getting you to the well much less trying to make you drink from it. It's a fool's game. As for dropping by "with insults," gee, and I thought they were just observations. But don't be so soft and simpering. Take it like a man. Anyway, it's time for me to split this popsicle stand and leave you rednecks to outredneck each other. Toodles.