[Ruserious]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Not that I agree with the west separating but I can understand why they might consider it as I have lived out west for almost 20 years and only now have moved back east. It was a family thing that caused me to move back, it certainly wasn't my first choice.
This is addressed to all the folks east of Manitoba, have you ever travelled out west to visit instead of running down south to Florida every year? Have you ever sat down and TALKED with a westerner and LISTENED to what they say? For most easterners the answer is a resounding NO. Most easterners (not all) think that Canada ends at the Manitoba/Ontario border. The only thing they want from the west is their natural resources and for the west to just toe the line and shut up. Until this attitude changes towards the west you are going to see western separation movements flourish, and maybe one day the west will have their own referendum, and I don't think the east is going to like the results!
Have a nice day!

As someone that HAS travelled from coast to coast, taken the ferry from Sidney to Port au Brasque, driven across NFLD, both ferries from the BC mainland to Vancouver Island and everywhere in between...

I'm not the only one here in Ontario that is sick and tired of the west and Quebec's constant bitching about not getting their fair share or dues.
There's a lot of good people in the Maritimes but you don't hear them bitching and threatening to seperate now do you?
The fact is is that if you're not a part of the solution then you're part of the problem and perhaps it's time for Ontario and the east to start up our own seperation movement.
And seeing as how the majority of industry is here in the east... if the east were to have our own referendum, the west wouldn't like the results.

[Streaker]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Not that I agree with the west separating but I can understand why they might consider it as I have lived out west for almost 20 years and only now have moved back east. It was a family thing that caused me to move back, it certainly wasn't my first choice.
This is addressed to all the folks east of Manitoba, have you ever travelled out west to visit instead of running down south to Florida every year? Have you ever sat down and TALKED with a westerner and LISTENED to what they say? For most easterners the answer is a resounding NO. Most easterners (not all) think that Canada ends at the Manitoba/Ontario border. The only thing they want from the west is their natural resources and for the west to just toe the line and shut up. Until this attitude changes towards the west you are going to see western separation movements flourish, and maybe one day the west will have their own referendum, and I don't think the east is going to like the results!
Have a nice day!

I'm an easterner living in the west (for a few more days, anyhow). I've spoken to many westerners. My girlfriend is a westerner. I drove to Vancouver from Montreal in April and I'm driving back in a few days. In the past few years I've spent a lot of time living in the west.

The real divide I see in this country is between the cities and rural areas.

I won't deny the existence of western separatists, but I still haven't met anyone who will tell me to my face that they are one.

[PJB]

Ruserious..Have your damn referendum..We that live east of Toronto will gladly say..SEE YA..

Kenora, Ontario is seriously considering becoming part of Manitoba because the idiots in power in TO are forcing pulp and paper mills there to shutdown because of insanely high power costs.

Get your head out of your ass or the fog of Toronto and realize that you are not the centre of the universe nor are you the asshole of it but one can sure smell it from there.

[Ruserious]

PJB PJB:

Ruserious..Have your damn referendum..We that live east of Toronto will gladly say..SEE YA..

:lol:
So, Which have not, welfare ass province supported by Ontario's provincial transfer payments are you from then PJB?

$1:

Kenora, Ontario is seriously considering becoming part of Manitoba because the idiots in power in TO are forcing pulp and paper mills there to shutdown because of insanely high power costs.

Now that is absolutely hysterical. Kenora's going to seperate? :lol:
Cool, that's a couple hundred less moose fuckers that we have to give 2 shits about.
You know the one good thing about Kenora, the Husky they have there makes for a good place to take a shit and piss before making that last leg of the trip into Winterpeg.
But let me ask you something PB&J, were they just as pissed off about the hydro rates when the Conservatives were in power or is this some whiney Conservabitches come lately seperation trip they're on.
Because if it is a Liberal government they don't care for, then they sure as shit aren't going to want to deal with an even further left wing Manitoban government.

$1:

Get your head out of your ass or the fog of Toronto and realize that you are not the centre of the universe nor are you the asshole of it but one can sure smell it from there.

Somebody's jealous that they aren't quite as fortunate as those that live around southwestern Ontario.

[Ruserious]

lily lily:

R U Serious?

Why would the Atlantic provinces threaten to secede? They're all have not provinces with no change in that status in the foreseeable future.

Quebec has the language/culture thing, and I think they use the threat to ensure special treatment. The west, however, could make a serious go of it if we struck out on our own. We have the resources and are about fed up enough for the ROC to take us seriously.

I don't want to see any province leave, but if anyone has a chance - and a reason - it's Alberta.

lily, why does the west think that they are better than the east?

Why would the Atlantic provinces want to stay with a bunch of people that could care less about them when they are 3000 miles away on the other side of the continent.

What, you don't think that the east, Ontario included don't have our own resources?

[Ruserious]

lily lily:

I don't recall suggesting that the east doesn't have resources.

No, you just referenced the fact that the west has resources. Perhaps you weren't suggesting it but the ommission gave that appearance.

$1:

Nor do I recall stating that the west thinks they're better than the east.

"Why would the Atlantic provinces threaten to secede? They're all have not provinces with no change in that status in the foreseeable future."

Again lily, your post infers that the Atlantic provinces are somehow less than equal to the west.

$1:

I don't think you read my post.

Oh I read it and the inferences it was providing.

[Ruserious]

lily lily:

Please don't read more into my words than is there.

"The west has resources" in no way implies that no-one else does.

"Why would the Atlantic provinces threaten to secede? They're all have not provinces with no change in that status in the foreseeable future." in no way implies that the west thinks they're better. Facts are facts - they're all have not provinces, as such, they don't stand a chance of surviving on their own. That's economics, nothing else.

Then perhaps you misunderstood my original post.

I suggested that Ontario start its own seperation campaign but unlike the other 2 self-serving provincial seperatist whining provinces, we'd do so with the idea that the Maritime provinces were going with us.
Why? Because they're part of that much maligned 'east' that the west harps on about. Someone has to have their back.

[DerbyX]

$1:

I don't want to see any province leave, but if anyone has a chance - and a reason - it's Alberta.

Well Lily, lets deal with the "reason". I'd be interested to know your thoughts on the data I provided. Most of the westerners on this forum seem to blame the liberals for everything. They have stated that they are angry they have no representation and are mad at the other provinces (mostly ON/QC) for always voting liberal.

I have shown that of all the provinces they are the worst offenders when it comes to voting a single party. All the way back to 1940 to see a time when the liberals even tied for votes with a conservative party. Is that giving everyone a chance? They never have representation because any time its a liberal gov't they send absolutely no-one from Alberta. Who's fault is that? Even when the country votes in the party they voted they still wash their hands of responsibility. The more militant anti-liberals simply lump the old PC party with the liberals. I doubt they would hold harper and/or themselves accountable even if we did give him a majority. When you always lay blame it becomes very easy to absolve your self of responsibilty.

It seems that Alberta will not vote anyone but conservatives and they seem to expect the ROC to do the same or else "we aren't listening to them". Harper missed his chance to force the libs to give in on ..... perhaps gun registration? We could have had AB saying "well at least we've got harper forcing the libs to do ......." Instead it was the NDP. Harper had a real chance to force the libs to give the conservs concessions that might have had Alberta coming away much more satisfied. Who's fault is that? We are listening to the west. We don't seem to be hearing much in the way of attempts at compromise. It seems to be "our way" or "the highway". Imagine if Harper had agreed to support gay marriage if they scrapped tehe gun registry? I bet the libs are looking for a way to get rid of it and save face. We would have been rid of a useless costly program and all the conservatives would have to do is support something that only pisses off the hard core religious conservatives anyway? Instead, SSM passed, we still got the registry and the NDP got massive budget concessions for their support. What do you think?

[Streaker]

Short to mid-term, an independent Alberta would do very well; it can't be denied.

But what about the long term? The oil, as plentiful as it is, won't last forever and is likely to become an obsolete commodity at some indeterminate point in the future.

In the long run, we are all better off staying together, okay? Living in a big country is like having an insurance policy: Sometimes you pay hefty premiums, other times you collect on a claim. The Maritimes were once "have" provinces, as were Manitoba and Saskatchewan. Some day they will rise again and become "have" provinces - Saskatchewan already has and there is hope for the others as well...

The future of the Atlantic provinces isn't as bleak as some may think: They've got oil too!

[PJB]

ruserious..(or dillusional) Tell me..What resources does Ontario have? Besides hot air and bullshit? Ontario is a 'have' province only because of it's population and the fact that Ottawa is there.

You say that it is provincial transfer payments that are keeping the west afloat..hmmm..I always thought those were from the feds but then again judging by where you are from I can see where you think you rule the rest of the country.

Insofar as being jealous...Sure I am jealous..I am jealous of you being able to breathe polluted air where I can breathe fresh air. I am jealous of all of the crime that Toronto has. I am jealous of the traffic. God I am just green with envy or maybe that is just all the trees and nature around.

I just hate fresh air and clean water and all that..I must move to Toronto!

[Non-Rev]

lily lily:

I don't want to see any province leave, but if anyone has a chance - and a reason - it's Alberta.

I don't think B.C is far behind, Lily - Ottawa has done nearly dick about Softwood OR cattle - we are No. 1 in getting hit by Softwood, and No.2 in getting hit by the cattle-thing - Alberta is the other way around.
Alberta feels it's getting screwed on it's oil - we feel we're getting screw on our Natural Gas. Plus the DFO couldn't find it's Ass with both hands and a MAP!

Make us pretty much kissin' cousins, doncha think?

[Non-Rev]

lily lily:

Yup. I can't see B.C. heading out alone, but if Alberta leaves, I think we'd join them.

And Saskatchewan would probably shrug it's shoulders and figure "How could it be any worse?"

[Tman1]

Non-Rev Non-Rev:

lily lily:

Yup. I can't see B.C. heading out alone, but if Alberta leaves, I think we'd join them.

And Saskatchewan would probably shrug it's shoulders and figure "How could it be any worse?"

Why would they say that?

[ShepherdsDog]

All this if........if......if crap. If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. It almost sounds like some of you relish the idea of Canada breaking up. It ain't going to happen. Quebec won't leave, the Indians will make sure of that. Quebec couldn't deal with a few Mohawks in Oka without Federal support, what would they do against the the Mohawk and the Northern Cree? The West gets cranky every now and then with Ottawa, if it figures it's being ignored and well Ontario, is so self absorbed, it hasn't got a clue what's going on around it. The Maritimes, well they need all of the other provinces to find work in. Sure we're a dysfunctional family, but isn't that the norm?

[Regina]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

All this if........if......if crap. If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. It almost sounds like some of you relish the idea of Canada breaking up. It ain't going to happen. Quebec won't leave, the Indians will make sure of that. Quebec couldn't deal with a few Mohawks in Oka without Federal support, what would they do against the the Mohawk and the Northern Cree? The West gets cranky every now and then with Ottawa, if it figures it's being ignored and well Ontario, is so self absorbed, it hasn't got a clue what's going on around it. The Maritimes, well they need all of the other provinces to find work in. Sure we're a dysfunctional family, but isn't that the norm?