[dog77_1999]

Clogeroo Clogeroo:

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The proof is in the pudding - we're there now.

Think so? I think your country is more split between isolationism and stepping back to imperialism and stepping forward. Your country seems 50-50 on these matters at least to me. Although this Iraq War might have turned some people off from the world. What do you think your country should be Bart American Imperialists or Isolationists?

I wouldn't say imperialists, more like policeman. I don't think we would always be this role because eventually there will be more countries that could have similar capiblilites of the US. However, 9/11 and the Iraq War have ended that position must sooner. I also believe after the Soviet Union collaspe, people didn't want lone superpower dominating the world.

All of this will push the US back to isolationism. I do worry that some terrible things will happen when it finally happens. At least the Northern Hemisphere will be somewhat stable.

Again, I could be wrong. If some huge world disaster occurs, the US could conceivably stay as a policeman much longer.

[Ruxpercnd]

The concept of power is kind of interesting.

- Even though, the old Soviet Union was a great military power. it lacked true power.
- They couldn't truely control Afgahnistan.
- They didn't have much of a Navy, mostly submarines. Nothing like
America's carrier groups.
- They were good at missles and bombs.
- But ultimately depended on stolen technology, like current China.

America's true power is not only military, but also economic, sheer size/population and character.

Perhaps when Europe develops it's character a little more, then it could become a super power. Right now Europe is still a little too divided.

Can China really be a super power without democracy, anymore that the Soviet Union? Well, perhaps it won't be democracy, but some kind of concensus society.... but they need some freedom in order to realize their full potential.

I, like many people, wonder if military power is becoming a dinosaur.... I have a hand gun, but I can't really use it for anything. The consequences make it pretty useless. Same for nukes.

Guns are mostly useful to criminals. Same for nukes.

People aren't trying to get into America because we have a lot of guns and nukes. People want to be here because we have learned to treat each other decently. People feel they can live a decent life in America. Whatever creates that must be the definition of true power.

So what is it?

As long as everybody wants to get to the USA... then it is the greatest power.

[Mr_Canada old]

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As long as everybody wants to get to the USA... then it is the greatest power.

Wouldn't it be Canada as the greatest power then? America a close second, of course. i eamn, it Is the United States of America after all, and I won't deny that people can become successful and have a great life there.

Same with Canada.

[Ruxpercnd]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

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As long as everybody wants to get to the USA... then it is the greatest power.

Wouldn't it be Canada as the greatest power then? America a close second, of course. i eamn, it Is the United States of America after all, and I won't deny that people can become successful and have a great life there.

Same with Canada.

I agree that Canada shares the supporting components of power that the USA has. Perhaps Canada is more powerful than we realize. So, what is going on here? Well... Canada, being one tenth the population and economy of the USA, could probably put out one or two carrier battle groups. And Canada probably could have nukes. But, being under the security blanket of USA and Britain, Canadians have not expessed the desire for recognition as a world power. This is what makes Canadians rather special - powerful without expressing it.

I would surmise that while Canada has the fuel for power, it doesn't yet have the igniting spark. It would take some kind of trauma, but that would change the nature of Canada. Canada is unique for many reasons and will stay that way for a while, even though she is beginning to strain with trying to digest more diverse immigrants (a normal process that the USA is familiar with).

Perhaps Canada could be the expression of a new concept of world power. If Canada could start resolving some world problems, such as partnering with someone to fix the Darfur crisis. It seems to me that Canada doesn't try to project herself much.

Observation: USA would be less of a world power if the United Nations would actually do something.

[Biblical_Christian]

I think USA has been trying to transfer world power to the EU. In 9/11 they transfereed 50 billion dollars to the European Union alone. Maybe they thought it was over for the USA, I don't know. They want to transfer the world power status, becaus ethey have been getting lotta flack, heat. for being the super power and all the good thing sthat they done have not been accentuated.

[TheFoundersIntent]

Ruxpercnd, where do you get these notions? Less of a power if the UN would do something? Like what? Why do you think the UN is in the US?
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." They are right were the US govt wants them.

[Ruxpercnd]

TheFoundersIntent TheFoundersIntent:

Ruxpercnd, where do you get these notions? Less of a power if the UN would do something? Like what? Why do you think the UN is in the US?
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." They are right were the US govt wants them.

The essence of a world power used to be one of "Empire" and colonialism. Now it is about maintaining order, avoiding world war and keeping a significant portion of humanity out of the gutter of despotism. The USA seems to be stuck with some kind of ultimate responsibility. I would rather that America didn't have to be in this position. Just think how wealthy we could be if we didn't have to spend all the billions chasing the bad guys.

The United Nations is a great disappointment for me. It is a joke that I don't get. Instead of keeping them close I would rather march the entire U.N. staff to the airport and remove that bad joke of a U.N. building.

Maybe we should encourage Pakistan and India to nuke each other. Then the U.N. might have a serious moment.

[NonyoBizness]

There would be NO United Nations if it weren't for the USA. It would be Germany & Japan, so thank the good ol' Americans for keeping the world in check.

America is and never will be losing it's powers. Unlike Rome, it does not have one person nor body too powerful without having balance against it and a way for the public to easily intervine without a civil war.

It's called politics. How may Vietnamese were killed vs Americans? MORE THAN TEN FOLD..... Why did America leave Vietnam? Because the people were rioting back at home and people were shot on campus by accident causing a huge uproar of the public with a demand to bring back the troops and let Vietnam sort out their own issues.

Why isn't the USA just going in and demolishing Iraq? LOL.... the USA took out the Taliban in such a short time it's embarrassing for them to show their faces around the sand dunes, and swept through Iraq like they were getting seats to a Monday Night showing of a Rosie ODonnel movie... pretty much with no hard pushing to get through.

That's not even a flex of the American's military power. IT'S POLITICS. Could America pretty much overrun the entire UN by force? Of course.... once invading a few countries, the others will quickly back down.

Would America do such a thing? Nope, because the PEOPLE WON'T ALLOW IT.

There is pretty good reason to be over in Iraq and the people of America aren't buying it anymore since Bush is a moron. Besides, someone as President can only be in their seat for NO MORE THAN 8 years.... flawless plus the powers to impeach the president if there were reasonable ground and evidence to do so.

Could the US military sweep through Iraq without losing another soldier? YEP.... but they are trying to be as CIVIL and MORAL as possible (ok sure there are some stray soldiers who are asses, but in general theyre good people and are putting their lives on the line for their country and the country of Iraq, despite the president being the most unpopular one in the history of the USA). You will always find some crooked cops, this world is human and there is no such thing as perfect when it comes to politics or world policing... but you better be kissing America's ass for being the world police instead of let's say... Germany... Military Japan, etc.... since the people run America (when it really comes down to it when the people get furious the government listens and responds quickly).

Americans send in their troops in battle... with complete HONOR instead of sending in aeriel attack after aeriel attack and not minding the innocent civilians who are getting hurt or worse.

Instead the US armed forces remain the most powerful all while displaying the most honorable way of fighting.... putting their own on the line to avoid harming innocent people as much as possible.

Yet everyone with a brain knows the USA could literally take over the entire world.... yet thanks to the way the system is set up, the people would NEVER allow it because in today's age, it is unnecessary and wrong.

Canada is LUCKY to be sitting where it is next to the USA, for it will never be invaded and if it does who do you think will defend it??? The USA first and foremost.

If Israel lost American backing, they'd be BOMBARDED by every other country in the Middle East, yet those other countries know if they invaded Israel without a good cause, America would step in, sweep through their military, and replace their government before they turned to Mecca.

Who really thinks Saddam deserved to be in power? Read about what he did to his own citizens and how he got to power including killing a relative.

Bush's reasons for going to Iraq may have a few hidden agendas, but all in all forget the WMD, America just removed a mini-hitler before he even got to a stage of such power to avoid all of that mess.

China is a great nation... but in no way, shape, or form could it ever successfully challenge America.

The United States is the last of the Empires and is here to stay.... and be respectful the fact that someone police's the world and holds morals in war instead of going full force and wiping the country out (with or without nukes, the USA could do this to ANY country or union >>aka EU).

Thanks America, I salute you!!!

[TheFoundersIntent]

All the UN officials hate the US, but then they wouldn't move the UN for nothing in the world. Where else are they guaranteed the security and lifestyle all in one place?

[Scrappy]

I'd rather have the US as the most powerful country in the world than China. That's a scary thought, a communist regime the most dominant country in the world.

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[RUEZ]

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[Mr_Canada old]

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Canada is LUCKY to be sitting where it is next to the USA, for it will never be invaded and if it does who do you think will defend it??? The USA first and foremost.

*shakes head*

[icekarma2752]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Yes. The US is the most powerful country in the world. They are the sole superpower.

Iraq is a question of application and resolve. Simply that. Scape has it right. The worst enemy of the US is the US. If there had been WMD found and proven links to OBL and AQ, you would have seen that resolve in action, of that I have no doubt. Their (the US) power and capability are intact. Their ability to project that force anywhere in the world is still intact (it wasn't even threatened by the war in Iraq).

China won't be a superpower anytime soon. They still lack the necessary military capabilities. It isn't about nukes and guns or technology or economic strength, it's about being able to get those nukes and guns to a fight anywhere in the world while crossing a hostile ocean and beach. No one can do that but the US.

china is the 2nd strongest military power as well as the 2nd most powerful nuclear power...they may not have as many nukes as russia but their ability to deliver them is equal to the usa...china's ICBM's use the w-88 boosters the very same technology they stole from the usa...the only thing that disqualifies china from being a super-power is their military is not disigned to attack..only to defend..the mere fact they have no air-craft carriers is evidence of that..they have approx 6 million personel compared to america's 900,000..their airforce is equal in numbers but then youre comparing mig-19,21s to f-15,f-16s,they 68 attack subs compared to americas 73,21 destroyers while the usa has 66 and of course america has a technological advantage..i doubt china even has the capacity to invade canada let alone the usa but i DARE bush to try to invade them

[TheFoundersIntent]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

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Canada is LUCKY to be sitting where it is next to the USA, for it will never be invaded and if it does who do you think will defend it??? The USA first and foremost.

*shakes head*

Of course we would help them, without hesitation.