[Gunnair]

Well hold on here. Direct personal insults are not do easy to sort out.

Should DD not feel insulted if posters go on a 'Muzzie' bashing thread?

Should Christians not feel insulted on a Christian bashing thread?

Should atheists suck it up on a Godless heathens burning in a lake of fire thread?

Should Quebecers not feel insulted on a Quebec sucks thread?

Are you trying to suggest that anyone here won't go around the personal insult law by just applying it to the group?

I won't insult DD personally, I'll just insult Muslims in general.

I won't insult Ruez personally, I'll just discuss the heartless god haters in the wasteland of Prince George (kidding Ruez)

I won't insult Brenda but I will shit chuck at aging seven foot tall shemale wooden clog wearers in general.

I won't insult Mr C but I will piss in the ear of Communists in general.

Not so easy and don't think for a moment people won't do it

There's a reason it didn't work first time.

[Hyack]

I also went for option 4....

We already have a thread going with this is mind in the forum games, "Insult the person above you". It hasn't been used for a while, but it is there.

[Toastmaker]

Gunnair Gunnair:

As I said in another thread.

Interesting to try and well nigh impossible to moderate to anyone's satisfaction.

People can find a wide variety of things personally insulting - everything from sarcasm to outright insults.As was pointed out, this was tried after the big purge a few years back and petered out because of the difficulty involved of policing as well as interpreting what is an insult.

This could make it VERY difficult for mods and admins and provoke loads of arguements. The simple thing would be not to treat your forum like an inner-city schoolyard.

[Gunnair]

Toastmaker Toastmaker:

Gunnair Gunnair:

As I said in another thread.

Interesting to try and well nigh impossible to moderate to anyone's satisfaction.

People can find a wide variety of things personally insulting - everything from sarcasm to outright insults.As was pointed out, this was tried after the big purge a few years back and petered out because of the difficulty involved of policing as well as interpreting what is an insult.

This could make it VERY difficult for mods and admins and provoke loads of arguements. The simple thing would be not to treat your forum like an inner-city schoolyard.

Good luck with that.

One of the reasons personal insults come around is the fact that many people feel insulted by things the other person either did not know would be an insult or does not care if it's thought of as insulting.

[Bodah]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well hold on here. Direct personal insults are not do easy to sort out.

I disagree, there's a difference between what a person considers an offensive topic and what we're talking about here which is direct insults directed at a member.

$1:

Should DD not feel insulted if posters go on a 'Muzzie' bashing thread?

Should Christians not feel insulted on a Christian bashing thread?

Should atheists suck it up on a Godless heathens burning in a lake of fire thread?

Should Quebecers not feel insulted on a Quebec sucks thread?

Any poster directly being insulted in the thread ? No ? No problem. Depends on the topic of the thread, if it's broad based paint brush with the colour ignorance move it to the insult section because if it so outrageous where it can be predicted it's a hot thread it could be moved there

$1:

Are you trying to suggest that anyone here won't go around the personal insult law by just applying it to the group?

If they wanted to insult a poster due to what the posted they wouldn't have to go around anything they could take them to that part of the forum that would still allow direct insults.

It's not about offensive subjects, it's about direct personal insults.

[DrCaleb]

Bodah Bodah:

But as it stands now, it's the wild west so it's hard feelings all over the forums. Some of us have thicker skin and have been around for awhile. But you've probably notice the "Hello I'm new here" thread and that's about the only post we hear from new members either they lurk and never post or see something hostile and leave.

Either way just trying to make CKA a better place.

Totally agree with that sentiment. I don't agree with the way n00bs are treated sometimes, but they are usually fully flambe'd by the time I get to the thread. And it's not my job to moderate, so I try not to add to the fuel.

[andyt]

I thinkGunnair has a good point tho. If I write "Harper is a shitpump" there are going to be people who take that personally, and be frustrated because if they write "Oh yeah, insert politician x here, is a, insert insult here.", they may know that it won't really bother me, so they'll want to get personal. Hard to sort out, all of us identify with one group or another, so insulting posts to that group with get the ire up of somebody.

I like your idea. You say you've seen it work, I'd be for giving it a try. But as Hyak already indicated, doubt the mods would want to take that on. Can't really blame them.

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

I thinkGunnair has a good point tho. If I write "Harper is a shitpump" there are going to be people who take that personally, and be frustrated because if they write "Oh yeah, insert politician x here, is a, insert insult here.", they may know that it won't really bother me, so they'll want to get personal. Hard to sort out, all of us identify with one group or another, so insulting posts to that group with get the ire up of somebody.

I like your idea. You say you've seen it work, I'd be for giving it a try. But as Hyak already indicated, doubt the mods would want to take that on. Can't really blame them.

I guess to start with, those citing a need for this because of civility issues ought to lead by example.

Maybe it'll catch on.

[Bodah]

Answering this from the Amanda Todd thread

Brenda Brenda:

Bodah Bodah:

Brenda Brenda:

What about offensive threads like this one? Are they going to be moved to that section? Of course this is just an opinion-thread, but there are also news threads that people might find offensive... How would that work?

If a mod believes a thread based on the topic matter is offensive, outrageous in nature and outrage is inevitable eg. "All Canadians are flesh eating frost monkeys" the can move it right to that part of the forum, where insults are allowed.

But I'm only talking about direct personal insults here, if you find a thread offensive you can go in there and civily discuss why you think a persons OP is wrong based on subject not their beliefs, but you can't insult them.

That's not fair tho. It is ok for the OP to insult whomever or whatever, but you can't call them an asshole for doing so...

Is the OP directly insulting another CKA member with their OP ? A "Harper is an asshole" thread wouldn't be considered offensive, I'm assuming there would be some context as to why the OP would consider him an asshole and could be debated from there.

[DrCaleb]

From a different thread:

Brenda Brenda:

Bodah Bodah:

But I'm only talking about direct personal insults here, if you find a thread offensive you can go in there and civily discuss why you think a persons OP is wrong based on subject not their beliefs, but you can't insult them.

That's not fair tho. It is ok for the OP to insult whomever or whatever, but you can't call them an asshole for doing so...

But that is the rub - a person's opinion may be offensive, but they [in that particular thread] are not trying to be personally offensive. Calling them (personally) names is trying to be personal.

[Bodah]

andyt andyt:

I thinkGunnair has a good point tho. If I write "Harper is a shitpump" there are going to be people who take that personally, and be frustrated because if they write "Oh yeah, insert politician x here, is a, insert insult here.", they may know that it won't really bother me, so they'll want to get personal. Hard to sort out, all of us identify with one group or another, so insulting posts to that group with get the ire up of somebody.

I like your idea. You say you've seen it work, I'd be for giving it a try. But as Hyak already indicated, doubt the mods would want to take that on. Can't really blame them.

Ok people aren't getting this I'm talking direct personal insults towards another CKA member eg. Andy your an ass, an idiot, fn retard that would constitute a direct personal insult. Not Harper is an idiot, he isn't a CKA member.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I said no because I think the mods here do a good job of stepping in when things get out of hand.

Respectfully disagree.

It's been made clear that veteran members of this forum have a ton of rope in which to work with. Rarely are they banned or warned due to their conduct.

Newer members of the forum have a different set of rules in which to follow.

Apply the rules evenly to all. We don't need a place that's hostile, which CKA often is. Let's leave the name calling at the school yard.

[andyt]

Bodah Bodah:

andyt andyt:

I thinkGunnair has a good point tho. If I write "Harper is a shitpump" there are going to be people who take that personally, and be frustrated because if they write "Oh yeah, insert politician x here, is a, insert insult here.", they may know that it won't really bother me, so they'll want to get personal. Hard to sort out, all of us identify with one group or another, so insulting posts to that group with get the ire up of somebody.

I like your idea. You say you've seen it work, I'd be for giving it a try. But as Hyak already indicated, doubt the mods would want to take that on. Can't really blame them.

Ok people aren't getting this I'm talking direct personal insults towards another CKA member eg. Andy your an ass, an idiot, fn retard that would constitute a direct personal insult. Not Harper is an idiot, he isn't a CKA member.

You misunderstood. People are going to take that insult at Harper personally, because the identify with him. We all have people/groups we identify with and take insults to them personally. So I think the thing will break down. But as I said, I'd be interested to give it a try, see what happens.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

You misunderstood. People are going to take that insult at Harper personally, because the identify with him. We all have people/groups we identify with and take insults to them personally. So I think the thing will break down. But as I said, I'd be interested to give it a try, see what happens.

They're welcome to take offence, but it's not a personal insult.

Even still, everyone here is capable of understanding what's a personal insult.

[andyt]

Yes. As I said, I'd be interested in giving it a try. (Of course as Caleb has pointed out, nothing prevents us from not using personal insults right now). I just think it will break down and be hard to moderate.

Anyway, all academic, since I doubt the mods are interested.